On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:22:16 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

If you have to make it on the way down, you don't have to worry about
packing it properly before the jump. :-)

I got it...

It does make a certian bizzare sense. :)

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:36:13 -0000, Tim wrote:

"crimson crater. "

just thinking about that phrase, makes certian orifaces pucker just
at the thought

Of a "slice and dice" - like out-of-control landing on top of a disc
plow.

(Actually saw that happen once).

On Sep 9, 9:47?am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:12:17 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
http://morrobayphotos.com/uscg/USCG%...epages/_1DSC_2...

or

http://tinyurl.com/2adl2u

West coast, I assume. Typical stuff the Chuck probably encounters
quite often. But I could be wrong about that.

--Vic

If I had to encounter stuff like that "quite often", I'd take up a
different pastime. Looks like USCG surfman training- which is done at
a few select locations where- on a few of the worst days of the year-
surf over river entrance bars etc will create conditions as seen in
these photos. Everybody is strapped in, and the boats are ballasted so
they can roll over and return to a full upright position. IIRC, to
graduate surfman training school. Being semi claustrophobic- I can't
imagine being strapped into a seat, upside down in the water, and
holding my breath for the 15 seconds or so I understand it can take
for the boat to right itself. That would be one looooooong 15
seconds......

Check photo 42. Those 3 footers in the foreground are indicative of
conditions that would be considered pretty uncomfortable around here,
and would be enough to keep most of pleasure boaters off the water. We
have waves not much worse than that when the radio is broadcasting
"small craft warnings".

On Sep 9, 5:12?am, Wayne.B wrote:
http://morrobayphotos.com/uscg/USCG%...epages/_1DSC_2...

or

http://tinyurl.com/2adl2u

This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot
Ditmar Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location.
Wave height was estimated at 20 feet.

http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html


For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of
the options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns
this brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and
you can do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).

On Sep 10, 9:35?am, Chuck Gould

Check photo 42. Those 3 footers in the foreground are indicative of
conditions that would be considered pretty uncomfortable around here,
and would be enough to keep most of pleasure boaters off the water. We
have waves not much worse than that when the radio is broadcasting
"small craft warnings".


Make that 41, not 42. The foreground on 42 is pretty tame....

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:36 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:


This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot Ditmar
Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location. Wave height
was estimated at 20 feet.

http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html


For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of the
options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns this
brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and you can
do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).

A little larger view of the same shot:

http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm

I wonder what those people in the smaller boat were thinking.

On Sep 10, 10:25?am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:36 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:
This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot Ditmar
Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location. Wave height
was estimated at 20 feet.

http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html

For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of the
options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns this
brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and you can
do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).

A little larger view of the same shot:

http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm

I wonder what those people in the smaller boat were thinking.

"How fast can we make that last 40 yards to get behind the
breakwater?!"

or maybe, "Darn! Those were my favorite trousers!"

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 10, 10:25?am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:36 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:
This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot Ditmar
Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location. Wave height
was estimated at 20 feet.
http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html
For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of the
options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns this
brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and you can
do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).
A little larger view of the same shot:

http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm

I wonder what those people in the smaller boat were thinking.

"How fast can we make that last 40 yards to get behind the
breakwater?!"

or maybe, "Darn! Those were my favorite trousers!"



"Chuck said those waves weren't really as big as they seem...they're
only two to three footers..." :}

On Sep 10, 11:12?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 10, 10:25?am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:36 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:
This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot Ditmar
Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location. Wave height
was estimated at 20 feet.
http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html
For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of the
options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns this
brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and you can
do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).
A little larger view of the same shot:

http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm

I wonder what those people in the smaller boat were thinking.

"How fast can we make that last 40 yards to get behind the
breakwater?!"

or maybe, "Darn! Those were my favorite trousers!"

"Chuck said those waves weren't really as big as they seem...they're
only two to three footers..." :}- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a bit funny- but I think the photo of the Ditmar Donaldson
punching through that surf *does* serve as a good reference for wave
height. The USCG review of the incident reportedly refered to that as
a "20 foot" wave. A legitimate 8-footer would still be 40% as large-
so I do try to bear that in mind when I hear boaters describing rather
extreme wave heights. Most people routinely overstate wave height- at
least IMO formed by years of observation. No need, really; 4-5 footers
can make for some really challenging conditions when expressed as
short interval chop.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 10, 11:12?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 10, 10:25?am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:36 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:
This link will take you to a photo of George C. Scotts's 80-foot Ditmar
Donaldson "trying this at home" back in 1979. Same location. Wave height
was estimated at 20 feet.
http://www.yachtworld.com/capehorn/index.html
For more details, select "About the Photo Above" from the bottom of the
options on the LH margin of the page. (My friend Mike Zarkos owns this
brokerage- but this is purely an invitation to view a photo and you can
do so without wading through a lot of boats for sale).
A little larger view of the same shot:
http://www.mv-dreamer.com/Mojo.htm
I wonder what those people in the smaller boat were thinking.
"How fast can we make that last 40 yards to get behind the
breakwater?!"
or maybe, "Darn! Those were my favorite trousers!"
"Chuck said those waves weren't really as big as they seem...they're
only two to three footers..." :}- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a bit funny- but I think the photo of the Ditmar Donaldson
punching through that surf *does* serve as a good reference for wave
height. The USCG review of the incident reportedly refered to that as
a "20 foot" wave. A legitimate 8-footer would still be 40% as large-
so I do try to bear that in mind when I hear boaters describing rather
extreme wave heights. Most people routinely overstate wave height- at
least IMO formed by years of observation. No need, really; 4-5 footers
can make for some really challenging conditions when expressed as
short interval chop.



Since I don't have to boat, if I see 3' waves on the bay, I just don't
go out, or I trailer over to the Pax River, which is an interesting
waterway that stays reasonably calm.