On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:35:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E

That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

--Vic


Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.

--Vic


I think women worry more about low transoms than men.

Eisboch


Well...manly men, anyway.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:52:55 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:45 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:
60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.
--Vic
Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.
I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.
--Vic
Yeah, I realized that, and unlike Chuck, I enjoy jokes at my expense. No
one laughs more at me than me. Unfortunately, we have a number of
posters here with an "agenda" that includes trying to make trouble for
me and a few others. The fact that they don't succeed, haven't
succeeded, and never will succeed must cause they a great deal of grief,
eh? :}

I thought Tom was transomless.

Oh...Finns. I worked with one for three years. He had no sense of humor.
None.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Make trouble for you? How can the words of internet sock puppets make
trouble for you? I think you take these posts a little more serious
than you let on. And you of all people should not...



Reread my comment. I said they "try," I did not say they succeeded.
Most of them are permanent residents of my filters, which only save the
headers and the senders' names, not the messages themselves. But a small
percentage of their trash is reposted when others make a comment. Of all
the jerks who post here regularly, I would say "Dan" and "John Herring"
are the saddest sacks. They appear to be completely obsessed with me,
and I don't even have nice tits.

A 'filter' which saves the headers and the senders' names, but filters the
messages. Wow!

What would be the purpose in retaining the header and sender's name for
those whom you've 'filtered'?

Some are obsessed with you because you're such a neat guy with remarkable
'foibles'!

On Sep 5, 7:08 am, Matti Kaki wrote:
Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/

--
Matti Kaki at iki dot fi http://www.sci.fi/~oh2bio
=========== Location: 60.414 N 25.097 E ===========
Navigare Necesse Est - Vivere Non Est Necesse

That boat looks like it would, when new have had no problem surpassing
the safety calculations as put fourth by the USCG for boats that size.
These regulations have served the building community well for a long
time. If you guys want to regulate wet feet, that is your problem If
that boat was better maintained, it would seem a perfectly good tool
for many a fishermen, or family folks, as far as the design is
concerened.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:10:37 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Sep 5, 6:52?am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:45 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:
60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.
--Vic
Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.
I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.
--Vic
Yeah, I realized that, and unlike Chuck, I enjoy jokes at my expense. No
one laughs more at me than me. Unfortunately, we have a number of
posters here with an "agenda" that includes trying to make trouble for
me and a few others. The fact that they don't succeed, haven't
succeeded, and never will succeed must cause they a great deal of grief,
eh? :}

I thought Tom was transomless.

Oh...Finns. I worked with one for three years. He had no sense of humor.
None.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Make trouble for you? How can the words of internet sock puppets make
trouble for you? I think you take these posts a little more serious
than you let on. And you of all people should not...

Reread my comment. I said they "try," I did not say they succeeded.
Most of them are permanent residents of my filters, which only save the
headers and the senders' names, not the messages themselves. But a small
percentage of their trash is reposted when others make a comment. Of all
the jerks who post here regularly, I would say "Dan" and "John Herring"
are the saddest sacks. They appear to be completely obsessed with me,
and I don't even have nice tits.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You needn't look to far for a sad sack, Krause.

Read through this thread.

Who was the very first to start making derogatory remarks about other
posters?

Who, after the first foray, keeps moving the discussion more and more
toward personalities and away from the boating subject in the thread?

Worse yet, it's not an anomaly. It's your SOP. Ever starve for oxygen
up there on your high pedestal? Obviously you never get tired of
making nasty cracks about all the people you consider beneath you- and
that's pretty well everybody.


Chuck, it's only because we *are* beneath him. He just has a few cute
little 'foibles' that we should overlook. In this thread he's only attacked
you, me, Dan, and the Finns, without provocation. But, that's just 'Harry
being Harry' as some here would say!

On Sep 5, 11:27?am, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:10:37 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:52?am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:45 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:
60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.
--Vic
Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.
I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.
--Vic
Yeah, I realized that, and unlike Chuck, I enjoy jokes at my expense. No
one laughs more at me than me. Unfortunately, we have a number of
posters here with an "agenda" that includes trying to make trouble for
me and a few others. The fact that they don't succeed, haven't
succeeded, and never will succeed must cause they a great deal of grief,
eh? :}

I thought Tom was transomless.

Oh...Finns. I worked with one for three years. He had no sense of humor.
None.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Make trouble for you? How can the words of internet sock puppets make
trouble for you? I think you take these posts a little more serious
than you let on. And you of all people should not...

Reread my comment. I said they "try," I did not say they succeeded.
Most of them are permanent residents of my filters, which only save the
headers and the senders' names, not the messages themselves. But a small
percentage of their trash is reposted when others make a comment. Of all
the jerks who post here regularly, I would say "Dan" and "John Herring"
are the saddest sacks. They appear to be completely obsessed with me,
and I don't even have nice tits.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You needn't look to far for a sad sack, Krause.

Read through this thread.

Who was the very first to start making derogatory remarks about other
posters?

Who, after the first foray, keeps moving the discussion more and more
toward personalities and away from the boating subject in the thread?

Worse yet, it's not an anomaly. It's your SOP. Ever starve for oxygen
up there on your high pedestal? Obviously you never get tired of
making nasty cracks about all the people you consider beneath you- and
that's pretty well everybody.

Chuck, it's only because we *are* beneath him. He just has a few cute
little 'foibles' that we should overlook. In this thread he's only attacked
you, me, Dan, and the Finns, without provocation. But, that's just 'Harry
being Harry' as some here would say!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A one-trick pony is as tedious as a toothache.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/

Think about it..... in 1991 a 20 year old boat was still floating....
in spite of horrendous Finnish alteration, preventive maintenance, and
repair. Seems more like a testament to the superb quality of American
design and workmanship than anything else. Seems to me that the USCG
got it right!

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
Chuck, it's only because we *are* beneath him. He just has a few cute
little 'foibles' that we should overlook. In this thread he's only
attacked
you, me, Dan, and the Finns, without provocation. But, that's just 'Harry
being Harry' as some here would say!


John...your behaviour is outrageous.
You throw as many digs at Harry as he sends your way...maybe more since
Harry only responds after seeing your shots through a 3rd party.
A lot of your digs are 'freebies' when everyone else ignores you.


I thought Herring was buying a new boat...why is trying to stir up more
crap here?

Chuck Gould wrote:


You needn't look to far for a sad sack, Krause.


Thank you, Mr. Sack.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/


Think about it..... in 1991 a 20 year old boat was still floating....
in spite of horrendous Finnish alteration, preventive maintenance, and
repair. Seems more like a testament to the superb quality of American
design and workmanship than anything else. Seems to me that the USCG
got it right!


how did it get to finland? towed over by a bayliner?

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:46:36 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

Chuck, it's only because we *are* beneath him. He just has a few cute
little 'foibles' that we should overlook. In this thread he's only
attacked
you, me, Dan, and the Finns, without provocation. But, that's just 'Harry
being Harry' as some here would say!


John...your behaviour is outrageous.
You throw as many digs at Harry as he sends your way...maybe more since
Harry only responds after seeing your shots through a 3rd party.
A lot of your digs are 'freebies' when everyone else ignores you.


Hi Don! How's that new boat doing? Have you been out in it yet? Some more
pictures of the boat and your dog would be cool!

You'll note that I said nothing derogatory about Harry in the above post.
So get back to being sociable and tell us more about your boat!