On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:35:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E

That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

--Vic


Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.

--Vic


I think women worry more about low transoms than men.

Eisboch


Well...manly men, anyway.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

--Vic

Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.

--Vic


Yeah, I realized that, and unlike Chuck, I enjoy jokes at my expense. No
one laughs more at me than me. Unfortunately, we have a number of
posters here with an "agenda" that includes trying to make trouble for
me and a few others. The fact that they don't succeed, haven't
succeeded, and never will succeed must cause they a great deal of grief,
eh? :}

I thought Tom was transomless.

Oh...Finns. I worked with one for three years. He had no sense of humor.
None.

On Sep 5, 8:45 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

--Vic

Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.

--Vic

Yeah, I realized that, and unlike Chuck, I enjoy jokes at my expense. No
one laughs more at me than me. Unfortunately, we have a number of
posters here with an "agenda" that includes trying to make trouble for
me and a few others. The fact that they don't succeed, haven't
succeeded, and never will succeed must cause they a great deal of grief,
eh? :}

I thought Tom was transomless.

Oh...Finns. I worked with one for three years. He had no sense of humor.
None.- Hide quoted text -

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Make trouble for you? How can the words of internet sock puppets make
trouble for you? I think you take these posts a little more serious
than you let on. And you of all people should not...

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:11:19 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E

That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

--Vic


Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I looked. Lotsa old crappy boats out there.
You do know I was joking?
Probably the Finn was joining in the fun, but I'm not up on Finns and
their humor.
For the record, I'm not an experienced boater, but given your
experience and your comments I have no trouble with your low transom,
and I think Tom's is even lower.

--Vic

Harry is more experienced than anyone else in rec.boats. You can't go wrong
trusting whatever he says, no matter what the topic is.

In article , says...


Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E

That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I believe that the photographer had removed the hatch to show
that there is no groove to prevent water going to the pilge.
The hatch is not tight and water goes thru the seem easily.
There should be groove (water channel) which prevent water
entering the pilge and over the battery.

But do you think that the U.S. Coast Guard plate _is_ authentic
and not a forgery? This kind of boat could _never_ get a Finnish
approvment nor CE.marking. We had earlier so called "Blue shield"
or "Sininen kilpi" in Finland which was safety guarantee before
CE-regulations took place in 1998. Well, CE-marking is _not_
same as safety guarantee. :-(

Finnish Marine Industries Federation: http://www.finnboat.fi

--
Matti Kaki at iki dot fi http://www.sci.fi/~oh2bio
=========== Location: 60.414 N 25.097 E ===========
Navigare Necesse Est - Vivere Non Est Necesse

Matti Kaki wrote:
In article , says...

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki
wrote:

60.414 N 25.097 E
That's a bit north of Helsinki, Finland.
Man, this low transom issue is becoming an international furor.

Did you look at the photos he posted? The boat is just this side of
decrepit, and the reason water coming in can get to the battery is
because someone removed the hatch that covers the opening in the deck.
He'll fit in well here with the rest of the inlanders.

I believe that the photographer had removed the hatch to show
that there is no groove to prevent water going to the pilge.
The hatch is not tight and water goes thru the seem easily.
There should be groove (water channel) which prevent water
entering the pilge and over the battery.

But do you think that the U.S. Coast Guard plate _is_ authentic
and not a forgery? This kind of boat could _never_ get a Finnish
approvment nor CE.marking. We had earlier so called "Blue shield"
or "Sininen kilpi" in Finland which was safety guarantee before
CE-regulations took place in 1998. Well, CE-marking is _not_
same as safety guarantee. :-(

Finnish Marine Industries Federation: http://www.finnboat.fi



I don't know, Matti, and I don't care. It's a cheap old decrepit boat,
and if it is still around, should be used as a planter.

On Sep 5, 4:08?am, Matti Kaki wrote:
Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/

--
Matti Kaki at iki dot fi http://www.sci.fi/~oh2bio
=========== Location: 60.414 N 25.097 E ===========
Navigare Necesse Est - Vivere Non Est Necesse



There should be a couple of removeable plugs in those holes. But the
rest of the boat has been badly neglected and somebody somewhere along
the line apparently tossed away the plugs.

On Sep 5, 7:08 am, Matti Kaki wrote:
Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/

--
Matti Kaki at iki dot fi http://www.sci.fi/~oh2bio
=========== Location: 60.414 N 25.097 E ===========
Navigare Necesse Est - Vivere Non Est Necesse

That boat looks like it would, when new have had no problem surpassing
the safety calculations as put fourth by the USCG for boats that size.
These regulations have served the building community well for a long
time. If you guys want to regulate wet feet, that is your problem If
that boat was better maintained, it would seem a perfectly good tool
for many a fishermen, or family folks, as far as the design is
concerened.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/

Think about it..... in 1991 a 20 year old boat was still floating....
in spite of horrendous Finnish alteration, preventive maintenance, and
repair. Seems more like a testament to the superb quality of American
design and workmanship than anything else. Seems to me that the USCG
got it right!

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:08:30 +0300, Matti Kaki penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Hello from Finland.

I just took a look of a finnish boating magazine from year 1991 and was
really allerted. There was a story about US-made boat which could not
pass a finnish yachtclub inspection at all.

This boat is made by SYLVAN MARINE Lagrande, GA. Model 17VFC / VFC 175

There is very low transom freeboard. If you put a 140 hp engine which
you can do according to the U.S. Coast Guard plate, the stern probably
takes water inside thru the two holes which probably are supposed to
drain the boat not fill it with water. There is no motor well.

I can't undestand that this boat has U. S. Coast Guard plate. How is
this possible? Here I have some pictures:

http://www.mattikaki.fi/starcraft/


Think about it..... in 1991 a 20 year old boat was still floating....
in spite of horrendous Finnish alteration, preventive maintenance, and
repair. Seems more like a testament to the superb quality of American
design and workmanship than anything else. Seems to me that the USCG
got it right!


how did it get to finland? towed over by a bayliner?