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Reginald P. Smithers III August 19th 07 05:17 AM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
Tim wrote:
On Aug 18, 9:01 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the downfall of this country.
I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.
If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.
Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.

And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


· Fighting Lady Yellow.."

OOOHHHH!


JohnH,
I don't like it, it doesn't have the prefered Open Transom design. ;)


CalifBill August 19th 07 06:33 AM

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.



We have the right to travel freely throughout this country. We have the
right to own a car. We do NOT have the right to a driver's license,
therefore we have no guaranteed right to drive a car. If you disagree, cut
& paste the section of the Constitution which deals with this right you
imagine.


You post which part of the Constitution prohibits driving a car. When
licenses was first issued, they were issued for life. We need to learn
something from the French. Their government is scared of the people. We
are afraid of our government.



CalifBill August 19th 07 06:42 AM

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:29:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.

And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html


I believe there is not enough room behind the helm. The two seats take
up valuable fishing space on a boat of that size. This looks like a
compromise between what the wife wants and what the fisherman wants.

I would rather purchase a http://www.gradywhite.com/180/


The aft 'seats' are just cushions snapped to covers. On the port side is a
live well, and on the starboard the battery. When the covers are removed,
as I would do for fishing, the covers become good bait/lure stations.

You're right that the wife wanted more than a bare bones fishing boat.
Luckily, the amenities on this boat are either removable or useful. The
extra half foot beam doesn't bother me either.

But, I'll drag the wife up to TriState tomorrow or the next day and see
what the small Grady looks like.
--
John H


Problem with Grady's are they are extremely proud of their boats.
Overpriced for the size.



CalifBill August 19th 07 06:48 AM

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 18, 9:50 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:06:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of the
downfall of this country.
I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that
everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing
the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the
opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.
If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of
those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance.
Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay for some
one
else's health care insurance. Be the example!
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.
Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
And everyone has the opportunity to take their political tripe to
a.politics.

So, what do you think of my new boat selection?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yeah, really? No one even commented. I thought I would hold off, but
geeze. Anyway, I like the lines of the hull on many of their smaller
boats like the 14 and 17's. My only comment is how big it is and how
difficult it might be to single launch and such, Do you boat in open
or protected water, if protected, I might even go a couple feet
smaller. If open water, get a good skid protector on the keel, and
some good bumpers.

Good point. That in-between size can be awkward.
If a person always has at least one able crew along...no problem. If
not, I'd be tempted to either go a bit bigger and keep the boat at a
mooring/slip, or go smaller to something easily handled by one person.
As you say, a lot depends on where you boat and the conditions you're
brave or foolish enough to venture out in.



Jeez...I used to launch and retrieve the original Yo Ho alone once in a
while. This was a boat 25' long, plus another seven feet for the pulpit
and outboard bracket. Close to 7000 pounds with fuel. On and off a bunk
trailer. I could launch a 21-footer blindfolded.


You are a freaking genius.


2 times a year. F'n lucky. I launch my 21' boat into current of rivers,
off unimproved ramps. dam faces and with sideboards rarely have a problem
Sometimes it gets offset a little and have to back in again to get the chine
off the bunk. Parly you have to be able to back up a trailer.



HK August 19th 07 12:49 PM

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Tim wrote:

As for choices, what do you think...
http://tinyurl.com/27277t
or
http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
· Fighting Lady Yellow.."
OOOHHHH!

Interesting cupholders, strange color on the upholstery.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


True Harry, but then again what you see live might be different than
the pic. they usually are.



I suppose. There isn't a dealer close to me so all I can depend upon is
the website photo. Scout does make some nice boats.

JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 02:06 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.



We have the right to travel freely throughout this country. We have the
right to own a car. We do NOT have the right to a driver's license,
therefore we have no guaranteed right to drive a car. If you disagree,
cut & paste the section of the Constitution which deals with this right
you imagine.


You post which part of the Constitution prohibits driving a car. When
licenses was first issued, they were issued for life. We need to learn
something from the French. Their government is scared of the people. We
are afraid of our government.



You're such a comedian. Show me which part of the constitution prohibits
neighbors from making too much noise at night.



BAR August 19th 07 02:30 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?



He's an identity shifter who's been here for quite some time. He blew his
cover a few minutes ago.


He has changed his name once in his entire USENET career.

He has never tried to hide his identity.

You can't "blew his cover" if he never had a cove.



BAR August 19th 07 02:33 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:46:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of
the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the
folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in
this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up
a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance
costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!

Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
Why?

You made a blanket statement about everyone having an opportunity to buy
health insurance. If a product is not affordable for you, you do NOT have
the opportunity. So, I need to know what number you are imagining in your
head.

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 02:35 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.



JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 02:35 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?



He's an identity shifter who's been here for quite some time. He blew his
cover a few minutes ago.


He has changed his name once in his entire USENET career.

He has never tried to hide his identity.

You can't "blew his cover" if he never had a cove.




Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.



BAR August 19th 07 02:37 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:30:44 -0400, BAR wrote:


Oh, forgot to mention I played Needwood today, shot a 95.


Cool! Needwood looks like my kind of course, a slope I can live with. I
finally broke the 90 barrier last week. Shot an 89 at Greendale. Then went
out to Virginia Oaks the next day and shot a 104, just to deinflate my
head!


I shot a 51 on the front and a 44 on the back. Interestingly the back is
harder than the front. Lots of elevations changes and some blind tee
shots. I am going to play Blue Mash on Wed. Aug 29th.

BAR August 19th 07 02:55 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?

More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.


I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place
where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


Why?

BAR August 19th 07 02:55 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?

He's an identity shifter who's been here for quite some time. He blew his
cover a few minutes ago.

He has changed his name once in his entire USENET career.

He has never tried to hide his identity.

You can't "blew his cover" if he never had a cove.




Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


Why?

JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 02:58 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.


I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place where
you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


Why?


Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving numbers
unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something that's sadly
predictable.



BAR August 19th 07 03:02 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.



It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place where
you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?


Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving numbers
unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something that's sadly
predictable.


Why?

CalifBill August 19th 07 07:06 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.


We have the right to travel freely throughout this country. We have the
right to own a car. We do NOT have the right to a driver's license,
therefore we have no guaranteed right to drive a car. If you disagree,
cut & paste the section of the Constitution which deals with this right
you imagine.


You post which part of the Constitution prohibits driving a car. When
licenses was first issued, they were issued for life. We need to learn
something from the French. Their government is scared of the people. We
are afraid of our government.



You're such a comedian. Show me which part of the constitution prohibits
neighbors from making too much noise at night.

Not Federal law. And we allow certain laws to be passed as part of a
civilized people.



CalifBill August 19th 07 07:09 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories
by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.


I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place
where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


Why?


Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving
numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something
that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone who
lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap about
Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,



Tim August 19th 07 07:27 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Aug 19, 8:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


More insight into Doug's personality disorder.


It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.




Now you're sounding tremendously like basskisser


John H. August 19th 07 07:35 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:56:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

JimH wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.
And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
I believe there is not enough room behind the helm. The two seats take up
valuable fishing space on a boat of that size. This looks like a
compromise between what the wife wants and what the fisherman wants.

I would rather purchase a http://www.gradywhite.com/180/


Huh? Your complaint was the amount of room behind the helm for fishing.
The Grady actually appears to have less.

Personally I don't care for either.

I want a boat that can be used for fishing or some daytime cruising, with a
cuddy area. As our runabout has been promised to our son this is hopefully
our next boat: http://www.gradywhite.com/232/


The Grady 232 is effectively a floating square.


I agree. I like the 228 much better.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:36 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:20:51 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.
And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
I believe there is not enough room behind the helm. The two seats take up
valuable fishing space on a boat of that size. This looks like a
compromise between what the wife wants and what the fisherman wants.

I would rather purchase a http://www.gradywhite.com/180/


Huh? Your complaint was the amount of room behind the helm for fishing.
The Grady actually appears to have less.

Personally I don't care for either.

I want a boat that can be used for fishing or some daytime cruising, with a
cuddy area. As our runabout has been promised to our son this is hopefully
our next boat: http://www.gradywhite.com/232/






I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?


I guess normal conversation just ****es you off, Harry?

You are so neat. Being called an asshole by such as you is a real honor.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:38 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:32:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...


I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?



He's an identity shifter who's been here for quite some time. He blew his
cover a few minutes ago.

I suppose going from Doug to Joe,etc. isn't 'identity shifting'? Or going
from H.Krause to HKrause to HK to Harry etc, isn't identity shifting. You
guys are unreal. But, you're *really* neat people!
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:39 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:34:16 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
I believe there is not enough room behind the helm. The two seats take
up valuable fishing space on a boat of that size. This looks like a
compromise between what the wife wants and what the fisherman wants.

I would rather purchase a http://www.gradywhite.com/180/

Huh? Your complaint was the amount of room behind the helm for fishing.
The Grady actually appears to have less.

Personally I don't care for either.

I want a boat that can be used for fishing or some daytime cruising, with
a cuddy area. As our runabout has been promised to our son this is
hopefully our next boat: http://www.gradywhite.com/232/





I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?



I guess any of the nameless aholes here. Based on his lack of knowledge of
boats I would guess Reggie, the man of 1,000 aliases.


Does use of 'ahole' as opposed to 'asshole' make you a better person than
Harry?
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:53 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:08:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:46:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of
the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the
folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in
this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up
a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance
costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!


Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.


Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?


You made a blanket statement about everyone having an opportunity to buy
health insurance. If a product is not affordable for you, you do NOT have
the opportunity. So, I need to know what number you are imagining in your
head.


Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


Well, if I did I wouldn't discuss it in a boating newsgroup.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:54 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:35:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H

Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


Someone answered that in a.politics.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 07:59 PM

Another consequence - bio fuels...
 
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:37:46 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:30:44 -0400, BAR wrote:


Oh, forgot to mention I played Needwood today, shot a 95.


Cool! Needwood looks like my kind of course, a slope I can live with. I
finally broke the 90 barrier last week. Shot an 89 at Greendale. Then went
out to Virginia Oaks the next day and shot a 104, just to deinflate my
head!


I shot a 51 on the front and a 44 on the back. Interestingly the back is
harder than the front. Lots of elevations changes and some blind tee
shots. I am going to play Blue Mash on Wed. Aug 29th.


That looks like a more difficult proposition. The white tees there have the
same slope as the senior tees at our local course (Greendale). I've not yet
played any of the courses in Maryland. We're going to Bowling Green on
Tuesday, which is a nice course for low scores. It's the first course I
played and shot below 100. Not much water...(boating related, you know).


--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 08:01 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:38:56 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 9:01 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
om...
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the downfall of this country.


I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.


If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!


Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.


Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.


You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.


And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

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· Fighting Lady Yellow.."

OOOHHHH!


That does sound cool! But, if possible we'll probably go with the blue.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 08:04 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:17:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Aug 18, 9:01 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the downfall of this country.
I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.
If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay
for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.
Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.
And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


· Fighting Lady Yellow.."

OOOHHHH!


JohnH,
I don't like it, it doesn't have the prefered Open Transom design. ;)


That's why God made http://tinyurl.com/236k9e !!

I'm a 'do it yourselfer'.
--
John H

JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 09:35 PM

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.


We have the right to travel freely throughout this country. We have the
right to own a car. We do NOT have the right to a driver's license,
therefore we have no guaranteed right to drive a car. If you disagree,
cut & paste the section of the Constitution which deals with this right
you imagine.


You post which part of the Constitution prohibits driving a car. When
licenses was first issued, they were issued for life. We need to learn
something from the French. Their government is scared of the people.
We are afraid of our government.



You're such a comedian. Show me which part of the constitution prohibits
neighbors from making too much noise at night.

Not Federal law. And we allow certain laws to be passed as part of a
civilized people.


Is it a federal law that we must have driver's licenses?



JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 09:35 PM

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories
by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place
where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?


Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving
numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something
that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone who
lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap about
Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,


He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation. Without
knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try reading more of the
messages in a thread before commenting.



JoeSpareBedroom August 19th 07 09:36 PM

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"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 19, 8:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?


More insight into Doug's personality disorder.


It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.




Now you're sounding tremendously like basskisser


But, it's true: It's amusing.



John H. August 19th 07 10:23 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:58:13 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 12:21 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:44:11 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:







"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
egroups.com...
On Aug 18, 9:50 am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:06:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"


wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
news:e9qdnac4g8_XQlvbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@comcas t.com...
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
.. .
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of
the
downfall of this country.
I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that
everyone should be able to afford health care). But the folks
causing
the downfall of this great country are the fascists in this
administration who have and are continually tramping on the
constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the
opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.
If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up a
foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance costs
of
those that don't have the money for health care or health care
insurance.
Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money to pay for some one
else's health care insurance. Be the example!
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.
Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.
And everyone has the opportunity to take their political tripe to
a.politics.


So, what do you think of my new boat selection?
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Yeah, really? No one even commented. I thought I would hold off, but
geeze. Anyway, I like the lines of the hull on many of their smaller
boats like the 14 and 17's. My only comment is how big it is and how
difficult it might be to single launch and such, Do you boat in open
or protected water, if protected, I might even go a couple feet
smaller. If open water, get a good skid protector on the keel, and
some good bumpers.


Good point. That in-between size can be awkward.
If a person always has at least one able crew along...no problem. If
not, I'd be tempted to either go a bit bigger and keep the boat at a
mooring/slip, or go smaller to something easily handled by one person. As
you say, a lot depends on where you boat and the conditions you're brave
or foolish enough to venture out in.


Jeez...I used to launch and retrieve the original Yo Ho alone once in a
while. This was a boat 25' long, plus another seven feet for the pulpit
and outboard bracket. Close to 7000 pounds with fuel. On and off a bunk
trailer. I could launch a 21-footer blindfolded.


Guess I'm think of my 19 foot sailboat....requiring mast raising, rigging
etc and the shallow launch ramps we have here. Our floating docks are
usually out of easy reach to float off & on by holding the bow & stern
lines.


My 21'er was a handful for one person, especially if the launch ramp had no
dock alongside. Luckily, Breezy Point, where Harry kept the YO HO, had a
dock alongside the ramp, making launching and retrieval pretty easy.
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I don't really have a problem with either my 18' Chris, or my 23'
Marquis. My lakes do have launch docks with good bumper railing. I
dont' drive up onto the trailer, because the boat always settles in
lpsided because of the additional weight on the helm side, so I get it
all centered pull the craft forward, hook and crank. works ok, just
have to take a bit of time, but not bad.


As long as the docks are there, it goes well. Today we went down to Pohick
Bay, off the Potomac River, just to sit and watch folks launch and retrieve
boats (and to give the dog a chance to play in the water). What a blast.
There are always some fools around to make the watching enjoyable!
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:24 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:06:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part of the
downfall of this country.


We have the right to travel freely throughout this country. We have the
right to own a car. We do NOT have the right to a driver's license,
therefore we have no guaranteed right to drive a car. If you disagree,
cut & paste the section of the Constitution which deals with this right
you imagine.


You post which part of the Constitution prohibits driving a car. When
licenses was first issued, they were issued for life. We need to learn
something from the French. Their government is scared of the people. We
are afraid of our government.



You're such a comedian. Show me which part of the constitution prohibits
neighbors from making too much noise at night.


Answered in a.politics!
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:33 PM

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:42:05 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:29:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:43 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.

And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html

I believe there is not enough room behind the helm. The two seats take
up valuable fishing space on a boat of that size. This looks like a
compromise between what the wife wants and what the fisherman wants.

I would rather purchase a http://www.gradywhite.com/180/


The aft 'seats' are just cushions snapped to covers. On the port side is a
live well, and on the starboard the battery. When the covers are removed,
as I would do for fishing, the covers become good bait/lure stations.

You're right that the wife wanted more than a bare bones fishing boat.
Luckily, the amenities on this boat are either removable or useful. The
extra half foot beam doesn't bother me either.

But, I'll drag the wife up to TriState tomorrow or the next day and see
what the small Grady looks like.
--
John H


Problem with Grady's are they are extremely proud of their boats.
Overpriced for the size.


I've always thought so too. But, I'll check out the price of the 18'er.
Whoa, about $35000, which is about $7-$8000 more than the Scout. Worth it?
Maybe, but I don't think so.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:34 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:12:59 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:22:50 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:25:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

which are worshipped at the altar of enviro-nuts and Global Warming
evangelicals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...eaorang114.xml

Anybody check the price of meats in the store lately?

Or Milk?

IMHO, we are taking entirely the wrong direction with this. We need to
stop thinking "liquid combustible fuel" and move on to the next step
in power source evolution.

I can't think of a better way to return our economy to #1 and render,
those would do us harm, impotent....


Go Nuclear! Hell, the Navy did it!


I'm sure no fan of that, either. I pay two electric bills: one coal
fired the other nuclear. The nuclear cost per KWh is 30% higher than
the coal.


That may just prove you're getting ripped off.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:35 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:35:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I guess I forgot - which asshole is "BAR"?


He's an identity shifter who's been here for quite some time. He blew his
cover a few minutes ago.


He has changed his name once in his entire USENET career.

He has never tried to hide his identity.

You can't "blew his cover" if he never had a cove.




Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


That was answered in a.politics.
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:51 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:35:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

Just like the bunny, you go on and on and on. Why don't you go on
someplace
else?
--
John H
Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?
More insight into Doug's personality disorder.




It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories
by asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.

I have one of the toughest skins in this entire group. You on the other
hand have one of the weakest skins.

You believe you are owed a response to every question you pose. You need
to get over that hang-up and just deal with USENET as it is, a place
where you can come and talk with, BS with and ignore anyone you want.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?

Your "why" was answered yesterday. You cannot make claims involving
numbers unless you have the numbers. You will now disagree, something
that's sadly predictable.

Because insurance costs in Rochester, New York only concern someone who
lives there. And so you are the only one here who gives a crap about
Rochester insurance costs. Do your own work,


He made a general statement which applied to the entire nation. Without
knowing specifics, his statement was meaningless. Try reading more of the
messages in a thread before commenting.


Doug, your meaningless question recieved an appropriate answer in
a.politics. Now, what kind of boat do you have again? A Whaler? What
engine?
--
John H

John H. August 19th 07 10:52 PM

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:36:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 19, 8:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:


Why don't you go **** yourself, diaper boy?

More insight into Doug's personality disorder.

It's amusing to see how you behave when someone deflates your theories by
asking you a question you're too stupid to answer.




Now you're sounding tremendously like basskisser


But, it's true: It's amusing.


That you sound like Bassy is true. That it's amusing is not.
--
John H

Dan August 19th 07 11:08 PM

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John H. wrote:


And we do wish people would take their political trash somewhere else.

As for choices, what do you think...

http://tinyurl.com/27277t

or

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/185sportfish.html


That boat has bracket on the back! You better carry one of these to cut
out the transom in case of an emergency...

http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/to...productID=4114

JimH August 19th 07 11:18 PM

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"JimH" ask wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
john wrote:
"Midlant" wrote in message
...
A privilege to drive your car? You sir, are a socialist and part
of the downfall of this country.

I have some socialist leanings ( I believe in social security, and
that everyone should be able to afford health care). But the
folks causing the downfall of this great country are the fascists
in this administration who have and are continually tramping on
the constitution.
Everyone has the opportunity to purchase health care just as they
have the opportunity to purchase food, shelter and clothing.

If you feel so strongly about this issue then why don't you set up
a foundation to pay for the health care or health care insurance
costs of those that don't have the money for health care or health
care insurance. Or better yet, why don't you spend your own money
to pay for some one else's health care insurance. Be the example!


Everyone also has the opportunity to purchase an 80 foot yacht.

Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs
in Rochester NY. At least take a guess.


And don't forget, everyone has the opportunity to buy a Lear Jet.
You make choices every day. Buy the Lear Jet or buy something else. It
is all about the choices you make.


Tell me what the least expensive family health insurance plan costs in
Rochester NY. At least take a guess.

Why?


You made a blanket statement about everyone having an opportunity to buy
health insurance. If a product is not affordable for you, you do NOT have
the opportunity. So, I need to know what number you are imagining in your
head.


Everyone in the US does have the opportunity to buy it. That is a fact.

Why they may opt out is another factor.

There are 4 main reasons why they would decline:

1. It is not within the budget considering more important expenses such
as shelter, food and clothing.
2. It is within the budget but the money is spent on a more extravagant
life style.
3. It is within the budget but who needs it........I am young and
invincible.
4. It is within my budget but based on my income I can self insure and
obsorb any and all costs.

When looking at the number of uninsured.............give me a breakdown of
those 4 categories. Links to factual data are required.

Class dismissed until Monday.


I trust you are working hard on this problem Doug. I will accept the
answers in percentages or number of people.



Dan August 19th 07 11:22 PM

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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
Hey Don! How's your mom today? One of the things I did, during the last
ten
years or so of my mom's life, was call her every Saturday and Sunday and
just shoot the crap for an hour or so. She greatly appreciated that.
--
John H



She's just fine. We got back from the TCU a few minutes ago after spending a
couple hours with her.
Took here down from the 4th floor to the main floor cafeteria for a coffee
and gab. When we took her back up to the 4th floor my sister was waiting.
The other old ladies weren't sure where we had gone.
I probably won't get in tomorrow as my #2 sister has invited us to their
skybox at the local arena to catch the Cirque du Soleil show.
http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/Cirque....htm?c=Halifax



I saw this one Friday night and it was awesome.

http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/Cirque...m?bandWidth=Hi

There were two boats in the show. We were in the 7th row - I'm not sure
a skybox would be a benefit for a show like this but you should still
enjoy it.


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