"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:53:09 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Most boats will
stand up to normal and *appropriate* use fairly well.


Virtually all 21 foot boats however, especially Bayliners, are
designed for use in protected water, typically with waves and chop
less than 1 foot high, winds less than 12 kts.


What a bunch of total BS.

I have owned 3 boats at 21 feet and under that stood up well when needed
to operate in moderate seas on Lake Erie, including 3-5 footers (although
not recommended). My 20 foot Glastron can take on 2-4 foot seas.

One of the most respected boat surveyors in the Lake Erie western basin
area recommends Bayliners knowing the intended use is on Lake Erie. He
knows value for the $, especially when comparing them to comparable sized
Sea Rays (also built by Brunswick).

Folks like you are the reason Bayliner continues to carry the well
deserved bad reputation on their 1980's models.

Give it up and stick to opinions on your 50 foot, 8 mph trawler.



I doubt like heck that you are running in 3-5' seas in the Great Lakes.
Those are very nasty size seas. Most bigger sport boats will not run in
those seas. I run in 8' swells max, and those are higher than the boat by a
lot! And those 8' swells only when they are long period and not accompanied
by 2-3' wind waves. I hear these quotes of 5' seas in protected waters by a
lot of boaters here. Find out how a sea wave is measured. That said,
Bayliners in the 21' Trophy types do quite well in moderate seas, but they
will break before higher quality boats will, so try to avoid the bigger
seas. Just not as strong a boat as less glass. Most 21' open bow are just
not built for big waves. If one breaks over the front, the nose of the boat
fills and you may sink in a short time.

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:48:50 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I doubt like heck that you are running in 3-5' seas in the Great Lakes.
Those are very nasty size seas.

Absolutely right.

I have no doubt that Lake Erie can generate 3 to 5 foot seas but I
don't think there are too many people running through them in a 21
footer unless they have to, and certainly not on plane enjoying the
day.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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Absolutely right.

I have no doubt that Lake Erie can generate 3 to 5 foot seas but I
don't think there are too many people running through them in a 21
footer unless they have to, and certainly not on plane enjoying the
day.

Where did I say otherwise?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:53:09 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Most boats will
stand up to normal and *appropriate* use fairly well.


Virtually all 21 foot boats however, especially Bayliners, are
designed for use in protected water, typically with waves and chop
less than 1 foot high, winds less than 12 kts.


What a bunch of total BS.

I have owned 3 boats at 21 feet and under that stood up well when needed
to operate in moderate seas on Lake Erie, including 3-5 footers (although
not recommended). My 20 foot Glastron can take on 2-4 foot seas.

One of the most respected boat surveyors in the Lake Erie western basin
area recommends Bayliners knowing the intended use is on Lake Erie. He
knows value for the $, especially when comparing them to comparable sized
Sea Rays (also built by Brunswick).

Folks like you are the reason Bayliner continues to carry the well
deserved bad reputation on their 1980's models.

Give it up and stick to opinions on your 50 foot, 8 mph trawler.



I doubt like heck that you are running in 3-5' seas in the Great Lakes.

Not planned, but caught in. Lake Erie can turn from flat to nasty in a
heart beat.

Waynes comments were the ridiculous ones, not mine.