On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

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On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.



This would probably help break those bad fishing habits, and your kids would
have a ball, pushing the shock button to "help" you:

http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/sto...Search&feat=sr

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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are experiencing
with Google Groups.

I use GoogleGroups too, and was having the same problem. it seems to
be working "ok" for the while, but it's still iffy..


D.Duck wrote:
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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are experiencing
with Google Groups.

Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


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On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.

"Tim" wrote in message
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I use GoogleGroups too, and was having the same problem. it seems to
be working "ok" for the while, but it's still iffy..


D.Duck wrote:
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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the
fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I
am
working on it

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of
them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are
good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are
experiencing
with Google Groups.


Try aloe.org I used it when Earthlink was having major problems.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:18:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

Read on MacDuff.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.

Well, I could agrue the point, but it's minor techicalities so I'll
let that pass.

The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.

Spread over six cylinders instead of four.

The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

Well, I've seen Yamaha's weighed at a shop and they pretty much
understate their weight. I don't know if they include things like
oil, filters and such like that so I can't argue the point other than
what I've seen with my lying eyes. :)

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

Flat out, my ETEC will out accelerate most engines, but that's not a
significant factor to me - I could really care less about it.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

Interesting you should say that.

I was out on Lake Murray with a Yamaha 200 four stroke and in a
similar boat - the distance from me to the engine was about the same
as it was in the Ranger.

The Yamaha was louder at idle and at cruise than the ETEC. I can
stand at my helm and talk normally to passengers - with the Yamaha you
had to really listen to make conversation. You could converse fairly
normally, but quieter than ETEC - not to me.

That's subjective though. I wish I could do some comparisons some
time with the appropriate equipment just to be sure.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

Side-by-side, same boat, one a four stroke and one an ETEC - my 2000
Ranger vs 2001 Ranger 200C, we both repowered in the same year, I
repowered one month earlier.

I win hands down by 50%. My boat averages between 3.5 and 4.7 GPH
depending on the kind of running conditions I encounter. We both run
in similar waters and operate the boats almost identically. He gets
out a little more than I do because he's in RI, but them's the facts.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

I don't have to change oil every how many hours or have a yearly plug
change or have a yearly gear oil change.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

All depends on how you look at it. I burn a synthetic, XD-100, but I
still haven't gone through a gallon of it yet - I'm about ready to
refill it - total cost to me, $31.

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

True enough.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:18:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

Read on MacDuff.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.

Well, I could agrue the point, but it's minor techicalities so I'll
let that pass.

The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.

Spread over six cylinders instead of four.

The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

Well, I've seen Yamaha's weighed at a shop and they pretty much
understate their weight. I don't know if they include things like
oil, filters and such like that so I can't argue the point other than
what I've seen with my lying eyes. :)

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

Flat out, my ETEC will out accelerate most engines, but that's not a
significant factor to me - I could really care less about it.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

Interesting you should say that.

I was out on Lake Murray with a Yamaha 200 four stroke and in a
similar boat - the distance from me to the engine was about the same
as it was in the Ranger.

The Yamaha was louder at idle and at cruise than the ETEC. I can
stand at my helm and talk normally to passengers - with the Yamaha you
had to really listen to make conversation. You could converse fairly
normally, but quieter than ETEC - not to me.

That's subjective though. I wish I could do some comparisons some
time with the appropriate equipment just to be sure.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

Side-by-side, same boat, one a four stroke and one an ETEC - my 2000
Ranger vs 2001 Ranger 200C, we both repowered in the same year, I
repowered one month earlier.

I win hands down by 50%. My boat averages between 3.5 and 4.7 GPH
depending on the kind of running conditions I encounter. We both run
in similar waters and operate the boats almost identically. He gets
out a little more than I do because he's in RI, but them's the facts.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

I don't have to change oil every how many hours or have a yearly plug
change or have a yearly gear oil change.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

All depends on how you look at it. I burn a synthetic, XD-100, but I
still haven't gone through a gallon of it yet - I'm about ready to
refill it - total cost to me, $31.

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

True enough.


It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

The oil change on the Yamaha 150 is actually easier than on a car. The
gear oil change is a no brainer, as you know. I only change out the
plugs at season's end and at recommissioning so as to not fog my
"working" plugs. I take the working plugs out, wipe them off and put
them in a baggy. Then I put in the "fogging" plugs. In the spring, I
pull the fogging plugs and put in the working plugs. I say I, but the
reality it, the dealer does this for me.

On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the hook
and much easier on the fish.