On Jul 19, 8:30 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

Or white coated to the nearest asylum....

How's the fishing there Tom?

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:35:48 -0000,
wrote:

On Jul 19, 8:30 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

Or white coated to the nearest asylum....

How's the fishing there Tom?

Wasn't too bad. We went with one of the top guides for Lake Murray -
only caught four fish, one a real nice striper, but I learned a lot
about the general eco system and the bottom topography on Lake Murray
is something else. I've never seen structure like that - pretty
interesting.

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


Sounds like you prefer to reward salespeople who take the time to have the
proper amount of product knowledge. If you keep widening the mileage circle
and find you're now looking 400 miles away, call Marshall Seagar or Art
Benham at Seagar Marine, in Canandaigua NY. 585-394-1372 These guys know
their stuff. Sure, you'll have to haul the thing a long way home, but you're
just crazy enough to do something like that.

Before you leave with it, I'll put you on some nice lake trout & walleye.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.
The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.
The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


So now we *do* have a sense of humour?

On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
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Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it


Setting with the reel????

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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it



What do you mean by setting with the reel?

On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.