On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:29:47 -0400, HK wrote:

It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

I get to ride in a lot of them with friends and when doing on-water
training - which, admittedly I don't do much of any more, so I've seen
a lot of 'em.

The one that surprised me was the Verado - that is quite the engine.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.




I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.

HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove
the hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.



I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.


Sure you did. Did Dr. Dr. Krause accompany you?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:29:47 -0400, HK wrote:

It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

I get to ride in a lot of them with friends and when doing on-water
training - which, admittedly I don't do much of any more, so I've seen
a lot of 'em.

The one that surprised me was the Verado - that is quite the engine.


Haven't seen a Verado on the water, either. As I said, most of the boats
around here are running Yamahas, Hondas or Suzukis, and most of those
are four strokes.

My Honda four cycle lawnmower ****ed me off this morning. Apparently the
fuel system coughed up some crud, which I suspect is clogging the carb
jet. RPMs rise and fall all on their own. Grrrrrrr. Fortunately, these
little gas engines are like the ones I remember when I used to work on
little gas engines.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:46:49 -0400, HK wrote:

I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Soometimes those are the best days.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

NOYB wrote:
Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.
It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.



I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in
the Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure
into a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle
hooks. Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.