"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.


Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you
while laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow
boat approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)


I dunno. Pontoon boats make more sense on most smaller lakes than 60'
bubble boats.

Agreed..........but who mentioned 60 foot yachts?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice comfy
chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes ruining the
atmosphere.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm





Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm





Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack

Jack Goff wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?
He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm




Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack

And everyone on shore says, "Look at that jackoff waterskiing behind
that pontoon boat..."

Hey, I'm not knocking pontoon boats. They're a lot of fun on calm lakes
and rivers and certainly more comfy for casual fishing than your typical
fishing boat.

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so
important on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm



I can see use for a 2 stroke... such as a smaller engine on a sailboat or
dinghy. I understand you can just lay the motor down in the bed of your
pickup.... or if you like to waterski of tube. They may be more powerful
for a given weight.
On a pontoon boat I'd want the smell of fresh air and as much quiet as
possible. If it was practical, an electric engine would be even better.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Let's see. If I'm the sales guy, I tell you that I like your style,
your forthright manner, and your imposing presence.
So for you, and just for you, I'm going to break the dealership's
rule and power you with an ETEC. Not only that, my source will cost
you less for the ETEC than your source.
Whattaya think of that, Mr Wave?
Am I a prince or not?

--Vic

He magically, was able to power the boat to your specs!!

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

On Jul 17, 2:15?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

It depends on how sharp a deal you drove on the boat itself.
If it's a model in short supply, he could have let you walk.
When you bring in your own engine and do your own rigging that isn't
very attractive to the dealership. No profit from the sale of the
engine, no $100/hour labor charge to have a $12/hour apprentice mount
the engine, no brownie points with the outboard manufacturer that the
dealership is normally affiliated with, no opportunity to pitch you on
the wonderful benefits of an extended engine warranty, etc.

If I were selling somebody a new boat with a warranty, I'd be
particularly leary of a deal in which the customer were doing his own
rigging. The customer's installation and the boat itself interface in
so many ways that the odds of heated discussions over whether some
unsatisfactory aspect of performance, etc, was due to a defective hull
vs. defective rigging are pertty high.

Then there's the unintended negative publicity in the many inevitable
conversations that will go something like this;

"Hey, Tom! Nice looking pontoon boat. But when did Wholly Smoke Marine
start rigging those two-stroke Torquemaster outboards? I thought they
used four-stroke Edselizers instead?"

"They do, but I think those Edselizers are a real POS. I wouldn't own
a boat rigged with an Edselizer. The guys at Wholly Smoke were pretty
embarrassed about having to send a truck over to their competitor's to
pay retail for a new Torquemaster; but I wasn't going to let them jam
one of those Edselizers down my throat, no way!"

******

It wouldn't be impossible for your transaction to wind up with,

"Mr & Mrs Wave, we don't just sell boats here at Wholly Smoke- we want
to get you happily involved in a totally satisfactory experience.
Based upon scores of previous sales of this model, we are convinced
that our most satisfied customers have all selected one of our
recommended engines. I would urge you to do the same. Your
satisfaction is so important to us that we would, (very very
reluctantly),
rather lose your business to a competitor than equip you with a
package that our extensive experience with this product indicates
would be less than optimally matched to the hull. If you *were*
choosing one of our recommended engines, which one would it be?"

That's shorthand, of course, for "we need the profit from the engine,
rigging, and potential f&i revenue for the deal to make any sense to
us", but it's a little easier to send and receive. :-)