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Yo - youse four stroke outboard types...
HK wrote:
RCE wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. That's too bad. You mighta liked this: (3, 275 horse, supercharged Merc 4 strokes) and I might'a been able to arrange a "deal" for you. http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/maps/36overhead.jpg Eisboch What a pig and waste of resources. But I'm sure our Chuck could justify it. It certainly burns more fuel than imaginary boats! |
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Yo - youse four stroke outboard types...
There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. However, on the
down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. Sherwin D. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. |
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sherwindu wrote:
There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:03:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? When I run up to Captiva (72 mile round trip) I burn about 11-12 gallons of gas. 60HP EFI 4 stroke on a 20-' pontoon boat. 1900 hours in, I am using 3 quarts of oil and a $13 filter every 100 hours, foot oil change every 500 and I am on my 2d set of plugs, impeller and zincs. That is it for maintenance. You only change the lower gear oil every 500 hours? |
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Yo - youse four stroke outboard types...
NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I've watched the crankcase oil being drained out of my Yamaha twice. Still looks like "oil." |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:22:26 -0400, HK wrote:
I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. What size Kawasaki? I've got the 21 horse Husqvarna with the Briggs Intek V-twin - kind of a Kawasaki clone. Great lawn tractor. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I have the same engine in my JD tractor. Just coming up on the 8 hour break in maintenance. |
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Yo - youse four stroke outboard types...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:22:26 -0400, HK wrote: I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. What size Kawasaki? I've got the 21 horse Husqvarna with the Briggs Intek V-twin - kind of a Kawasaki clone. Great lawn tractor. Briggs & Stratton.....................he-he-he. Definitely not a Kawasaki clone............not even close. ;-) |
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