On Jun 14, 11:50 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:

There real story here might be that this law was smoke and mirrors and
if it isn't being used, it isn't really needed. The law requires the
FISA court to make the Order... but if the present administration
can't bring itself to use the FISA court, anyway, what's the point?

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Well if you are talking to me, and I think you are, I was commenting
on NOY... remarks about the Bush admin taking away civil rights. Still
waiting for real examples, that's all.

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On Jun 14, 11:50 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:

There real story here might be that this law was smoke and mirrors and
if it isn't being used, it isn't really needed. The law requires the
FISA court to make the Order... but if the present administration
can't bring itself to use the FISA court, anyway, what's the point?

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Well if you are talking to me, and I think you are, I was commenting
on NOY... remarks about the Bush admin taking away civil rights. Still
waiting for real examples, that's all.


I see you're posting from google, which may explain the fact that you keep
missing messages that already answer your question. Start at the beginning
of this discussion and read every single message. The information is there
already. Asking people to post it repeatedly is annoying.

On Jun 14, 1:19 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jun 14, 11:50 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:

There real story here might be that this law was smoke and mirrors and
if it isn't being used, it isn't really needed. The law requires the
FISA court to make the Order... but if the present administration
can't bring itself to use the FISA court, anyway, what's the point?

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Well if you are talking to me, and I think you are, I was commenting
on NOY... remarks about the Bush admin taking away civil rights. Still
waiting for real examples, that's all.

I see you're posting from google, which may explain the fact that you keep
missing messages that already answer your question. Start at the beginning
of this discussion and read every single message. The information is there
already. Asking people to post it repeatedly is annoying.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, a link would have probably have been quicker and less annoying
for you, I will annoy you no longer about this. Have at it guys.

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On Jun 14, 11:50 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:

There real story here might be that this law was smoke and mirrors and
if it isn't being used, it isn't really needed. The law requires the
FISA court to make the Order... but if the present administration
can't bring itself to use the FISA court, anyway, what's the point?

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Well if you are talking to me, and I think you are, I was commenting
on NOY... remarks about the Bush admin taking away civil rights. Still
waiting for real examples, that's all.

I see you're posting from google, which may explain the fact that you
keep
missing messages that already answer your question. Start at the
beginning
of this discussion and read every single message. The information is
there
already. Asking people to post it repeatedly is annoying.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, a link would have probably have been quicker and less annoying
for you, I will annoy you no longer about this. Have at it guys.


There were links provided. You should learn to dance better.

"John H." wrote in message
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Bush didn't take away any civil rights. He *gave* civil rights. NOYB would
not have said Bush took away our civil rights. Now, he may have taken away
the civil rights of some terrorists, but that's a different story.

The Patriot Act meddles with civil rights established for all citizens in
the constitution. To disagree with this means you are either mentally
impaired, or a traitor to this country. Choose one.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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Bush didn't take away any civil rights. He *gave* civil rights. NOYB would
not have said Bush took away our civil rights. Now, he may have taken away
the civil rights of some terrorists, but that's a different story.

The Patriot Act meddles with civil rights established for all citizens in
the constitution. To disagree with this means you are either mentally
impaired, or a traitor to this country. Choose one.




Herring and three other "Americans" are still kissing Bush's ass.

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:00:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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Bush didn't take away any civil rights. He *gave* civil rights. NOYB
would
not have said Bush took away our civil rights. Now, he may have taken
away
the civil rights of some terrorists, but that's a different story.

The Patriot Act meddles with civil rights established for all citizens in
the constitution. To disagree with this means you are either mentally
impaired, or a traitor to this country. Choose one.


And which of your civil rights did you lose?

You and others love to ask that question. It's the same as this: "If you're
not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". That is an
affront to the principles on which this country was founded. If you don't
understand that, then 100% of what you've said about serving your country in
the military is a farce. You have no idea what you were serving for. Thomas
Jefferson would rip you a new asshole for your failure to understand. Then,
he'd send you to Benjamin Franklin for another dressing-down.




He *gave* you the right to spend a lot more of your money as you choose.

How about we let that line drop, OK?

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On Jun 14, 1:19 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jun 14, 11:50 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:

There real story here might be that this law was smoke and mirrors and
if it isn't being used, it isn't really needed. The law requires the
FISA court to make the Order... but if the present administration
can't bring itself to use the FISA court, anyway, what's the point?

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Well if you are talking to me, and I think you are, I was commenting
on NOY... remarks about the Bush admin taking away civil rights. Still
waiting for real examples, that's all.

I see you're posting from google, which may explain the fact that you
keep
missing messages that already answer your question. Start at the
beginning
of this discussion and read every single message. The information is
there
already. Asking people to post it repeatedly is annoying.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, a link would have probably have been quicker and less annoying
for you, I will annoy you no longer about this. Have at it guys.

There were links provided. You should learn to dance better.- Hide quoted text -

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Ahh, I should care about the dance, but alas, I really don't. I have
had my civil rights trampled on in my lifetime and I am a middle class
white guy, so it's hard to get sympathy from me for those who don't
want to be 'Merkins anyway... My point is, gvt has been trampling the
civil rights of certain classes for decades, it has nothing to do with
the Bush admin, it has to do with the ruling class, reguardless of
political affiliation or positition. Dance away the night if you must,
it is just another escape for me so if it's not fun, it's over, i'd
rather be fishin'.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:00:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...


Bush didn't take away any civil rights. He *gave* civil rights. NOYB
would
not have said Bush took away our civil rights. Now, he may have taken
away
the civil rights of some terrorists, but that's a different story.

The Patriot Act meddles with civil rights established for all citizens
in
the constitution. To disagree with this means you are either mentally
impaired, or a traitor to this country. Choose one.


And which of your civil rights did you lose?

You and others love to ask that question. It's the same as this: "If
you're
not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about". That is an
affront to the principles on which this country was founded. If you don't
understand that, then 100% of what you've said about serving your country
in
the military is a farce. You have no idea what you were serving for.
Thomas
Jefferson would rip you a new asshole for your failure to understand.
Then,
he'd send you to Benjamin Franklin for another dressing-down.


I asked which rights you'd lost, not which you were willing to give up.
You
implied the Patriot Act cost you civil rights. Well, back up your
statement, or else you just sound like Harry, another whiner.


Among other things, the Patriot Act (which you have not read from end to
end) includes meddling with habeas corpus. If one citizen loses that right,
every citizen loses that right.

Does this look familiar?

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;"

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message news forth the following:

Does this look familiar?

Not to any federal officeholder of the past 40 years not named "Ron Paul".


"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same;"


Let's see what, if anything JohnH has to say about that oath.