At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht, there's
a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on the other side.
About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone begins. Quite a few stoopids
leaving the bay will approach the no-wake signs at full speed, which means
their wakes cause as much trouble as if they'd just kept going at full
speed. I guess the cops finally figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3
boats (one CG, actually), and they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300
feet before the no-wake zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're
issuing tickets as if the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic
being that your wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's
huge to begin with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone.
Doesn't matter because your wake will be there shortly.

Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids.

So since you own a car you're probably going to speed so the cops should
come and write you a ticket each morning?


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht,
there's a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on
the other side. About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone
begins. Quite a few stoopids leaving the bay will approach the no-wake
signs at full speed, which means their wakes cause as much trouble as
if they'd just kept going at full speed. I guess the cops finally
figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3 boats (one CG, actually), and
they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300 feet before the no-wake
zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're issuing tickets as if
the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic being that your
wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's huge to begin
with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone. Doesn't
matter because your wake will be there shortly.

Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids.

Midlant wrote:
So since you own a car you're probably going to speed so the cops should
come and write you a ticket each morning?


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht,
there's a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on
the other side. About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone
begins. Quite a few stoopids leaving the bay will approach the no-wake
signs at full speed, which means their wakes cause as much trouble as
if they'd just kept going at full speed. I guess the cops finally
figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3 boats (one CG, actually), and
they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300 feet before the no-wake
zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're issuing tickets as if
the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic being that your
wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's huge to begin
with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone. Doesn't
matter because your wake will be there shortly.

Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids.





Maybe it will make the "stoopids" a bit more courteous. On the ICW, I
think "yachtsters" with stern heavy pleasure barges throwing up huge
wakes ought to be subject to a fullisade eight pounders from shoreside
cannon batteries.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:44:53 -0400, "Midlant"
wrote:

So since you own a car you're probably going to speed so the cops should
come and write you a ticket each morning?


snip

Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids.



Silly and specious argument.

I betting that I could (in my car) speed past you and other moving and
parked vehicles with no injuries or physical damage to you or your
vehicle. You might not even notice.

That is not the case with a boat's wake.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._4/ai_61555430

EVERY captain is LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for his/her wake......


Dear Gene:
Nothing you posted refutes the information I provided in my original
message. In fact, you provided information which supports what I said. Here.
I'll edit your message so it's less cluttered. Everything within the plus
signs is your new message:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EVERY captain is LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for his/her wake......
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._4/ai_61555430
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake Zone".
That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your boat has to
be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get in trouble.

Some boats make a wake that's still pretty hefty 200 feet later. If you say
you haven't noticed this, you're a silly person, and due for an eye exam.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Dear Gene:
Nothing you posted refutes the information I provided in my original
message. In fact, you provided information which supports what I said.
Here.
I'll edit your message so it's less cluttered. Everything within the plus
signs is your new message:

snips

Check your threading.....

My post was in response to Midlant. I wholeheartedly concur with your
position.


Dear Gene:
Pardon my conflatulence.

:-)

On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake
Zone". That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your
boat has to be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get
in trouble.

That would depend on the law as written. I'm thinking the cops are
stretching the law here. Most "no wake zones" are written concerning the
boat. Some examples:

Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as “Idle Speed - No Wake�
must operate at the minimum speed that will maintain steerageway.
(Florida)

No person shall operate a powercraft within or through a shore zone,
danger zone, or any area marked as a no wake zone at a speed that
produces a wake. (Ohio)

Operate within designated "no wake" area except at headway speed without
creating a swell or wake. (Texas)

When operating your boat in a no-wake zone you must proceed at a speed at
which the vessel does not produce a wake, not to exceed 5 miles per hour.
(Alaska)

You'll notice all of the above state the boat be *in* a no wake zone.

I haven't been able to locate the applicable New York law, but I'd want
to see it before paying the ticket.

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake
Zone". That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your
boat has to be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get
in trouble.

That would depend on the law as written. I'm thinking the cops are
stretching the law here. Most "no wake zones" are written concerning the
boat. Some examples:

Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Idle Speed - No Wake"
must operate at the minimum speed that will maintain steerageway.
(Florida)

No person shall operate a powercraft within or through a shore zone,
danger zone, or any area marked as a no wake zone at a speed that
produces a wake. (Ohio)

Operate within designated "no wake" area except at headway speed without
creating a swell or wake. (Texas)

When operating your boat in a no-wake zone you must proceed at a speed at
which the vessel does not produce a wake, not to exceed 5 miles per hour.
(Alaska)

You'll notice all of the above state the boat be *in* a no wake zone.

I haven't been able to locate the applicable New York law, but I'd want
to see it before paying the ticket.




As I understand it, you are still responsible for any damage or injury
resulting from your wake, regardless of where you are in relationship to a
no-wake zone. Problem is, the damage or injury probably has to occur
before you are liable for anything.

Eisboch

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake
Zone". That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your
boat has to be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get
in trouble.

That would depend on the law as written. I'm thinking the cops are
stretching the law here. Most "no wake zones" are written concerning the
boat. Some examples:

Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Idle Speed - No Wake"
must operate at the minimum speed that will maintain steerageway.
(Florida)

No person shall operate a powercraft within or through a shore zone,
danger zone, or any area marked as a no wake zone at a speed that
produces a wake. (Ohio)

Operate within designated "no wake" area except at headway speed without
creating a swell or wake. (Texas)

When operating your boat in a no-wake zone you must proceed at a speed at
which the vessel does not produce a wake, not to exceed 5 miles per hour.
(Alaska)

You'll notice all of the above state the boat be *in* a no wake zone.

I haven't been able to locate the applicable New York law, but I'd want
to see it before paying the ticket.


You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time
I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing
wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before
the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is
pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time
I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing
wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before
the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is
pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to.


Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much
larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd
have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane,
then cut the throttle.

If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside
the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out
further.

The point of their action is (nitwit early replies to this thread
notwithstanding) that by the time the offending bleach bottle crosses
the zone boundary, the damage is already done. A prudent Captain does
NOT throttle down AT the zone boundary, but well before. An asinine
reply to this thread suggests a correlation to a car and speeding
limit. Cars don't produce damaging wake. The WAKE is the *POINT* of the
'NO WAKE ZONE', not perse the boats speed. The tickets, in my opinion,
are valid, for the infraction is one of judgment, which is crucial to
captaining a boat legally and safely.
JR

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht, there's
a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on the other side.
About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone begins. Quite a few stoopids
leaving the bay will approach the no-wake signs at full speed, which means
their wakes cause as much trouble as if they'd just kept going at full
speed. I guess the cops finally figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3
boats (one CG, actually), and they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300
feet before the no-wake zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're
issuing tickets as if the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic
being that your wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's
huge to begin with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone.
Doesn't matter because your wake will be there shortly.

Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids.




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