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Meanwhile, asking people to grow up and
take responsibility for their actions is free, and will actually
work,
starting immediately.

So you're going to tell a single mom making $8 an hour that they
need to
trade in their 1983 Electra for a $22,000 Accord? How is that
"free"?

Are you resistant to the idea of voluntary
behavioral changes?

Nothing that involves government is voluntary. Government is by
definition
coercion ("you must") or proscription ("you can't"). That you do
not
understand this most basic concept explains the inanity of most of
your
posts.


I never said anything about telling anyone to trade in their car
immediately. I'm talking about upcoming purchases. And, there is
nothing coercive about a president using his TV time to ask people to
rethink their habits.

Does this qualify?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/27/business/gas.php


It doesn't go far enough, because asking people to pick a different car
is venturing into a decision that verges on religion. I can't think of
any other product which is so tightly bound to people's egos or
crotches than automobiles. Like I said, it would take a real president
with balls to touch the subject. The message would be somewhat
insulting, but sometimes, people need a bucket of cold water dumped on
their heads.

This is from the above link. Sounds like he did ask us to cut back, not
only to buy more efficient vehicles

He added that if Americans could avoid going on "a trip that's not
essential," that would be "helpful."

He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own
energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation.


Not far enough. Sorry. I understand I may be insulting one of your icons,
but that's just the way it goes.

He's not one of my icons. I don't agree with many of the things he has
and has not done. But you said he should say something....he already has.


In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president, as I
stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real. Someone who can function without a
script.

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Meanwhile, asking people to grow up and
take responsibility for their actions is free, and will actually
work,
starting immediately.

So you're going to tell a single mom making $8 an hour that they
need to
trade in their 1983 Electra for a $22,000 Accord? How is that
"free"?

Are you resistant to the idea of voluntary
behavioral changes?

Nothing that involves government is voluntary. Government is by
definition
coercion ("you must") or proscription ("you can't"). That you do
not
understand this most basic concept explains the inanity of most of
your
posts.


I never said anything about telling anyone to trade in their car
immediately. I'm talking about upcoming purchases. And, there is
nothing coercive about a president using his TV time to ask people
to rethink their habits.

Does this qualify?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/27/business/gas.php


It doesn't go far enough, because asking people to pick a different
car is venturing into a decision that verges on religion. I can't
think of any other product which is so tightly bound to people's egos
or crotches than automobiles. Like I said, it would take a real
president with balls to touch the subject. The message would be
somewhat insulting, but sometimes, people need a bucket of cold water
dumped on their heads.

This is from the above link. Sounds like he did ask us to cut back,
not only to buy more efficient vehicles

He added that if Americans could avoid going on "a trip that's not
essential," that would be "helpful."

He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own
energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation.


Not far enough. Sorry. I understand I may be insulting one of your
icons, but that's just the way it goes.

He's not one of my icons. I don't agree with many of the things he has
and has not done. But you said he should say something....he already has.


In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president, as
I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like Mario
Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone who can function
without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?

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Meanwhile, asking people to grow up and
take responsibility for their actions is free, and will actually
work,
starting immediately.

So you're going to tell a single mom making $8 an hour that they
need to
trade in their 1983 Electra for a $22,000 Accord? How is that
"free"?

Are you resistant to the idea of voluntary
behavioral changes?

Nothing that involves government is voluntary. Government is by
definition
coercion ("you must") or proscription ("you can't"). That you do
not
understand this most basic concept explains the inanity of most of
your
posts.


I never said anything about telling anyone to trade in their car
immediately. I'm talking about upcoming purchases. And, there is
nothing coercive about a president using his TV time to ask people
to rethink their habits.

Does this qualify?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/27/business/gas.php


It doesn't go far enough, because asking people to pick a different
car is venturing into a decision that verges on religion. I can't
think of any other product which is so tightly bound to people's egos
or crotches than automobiles. Like I said, it would take a real
president with balls to touch the subject. The message would be
somewhat insulting, but sometimes, people need a bucket of cold water
dumped on their heads.

This is from the above link. Sounds like he did ask us to cut back,
not only to buy more efficient vehicles

He added that if Americans could avoid going on "a trip that's not
essential," that would be "helpful."

He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own
energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation.


Not far enough. Sorry. I understand I may be insulting one of your
icons, but that's just the way it goes.

He's not one of my icons. I don't agree with many of the things he has
and has not done. But you said he should say something....he already
has.


In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president, as
I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like Mario
Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone who can function
without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?


And that was a response to what in particular, assuming you can still
remember why you typed it?

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In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president,
as I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like
Mario Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone who can
function without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?


And that was a response to what in particular, assuming you can still
remember why you typed it?


I guess you don't remember posting "And, there is nothing coercive about a
president using his TV time to ask people to rethink their habits." That
slogan was not coercive but it certainly did nothing.

On a personal note: You would carry more credibility in a discussion if you
would stop the personal attacks as they generally show that you have nothing
else to add to support your position. Give it a try Doug.

"JimH" wrote in message
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In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president,
as I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like
Mario Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone who can
function without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?


And that was a response to what in particular, assuming you can still
remember why you typed it?


I guess you don't remember posting "And, there is nothing coercive about a
president using his TV time to ask people to rethink their habits." That
slogan was not coercive but it certainly did nothing.

On a personal note: You would carry more credibility in a discussion if
you would stop the personal attacks as they generally show that you have
nothing else to add to support your position. Give it a try Doug.



You think a president making suggestions would be an example of coercion?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president,
as I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like
Mario Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone who can
function without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?


And that was a response to what in particular, assuming you can still
remember why you typed it?


I guess you don't remember posting "And, there is nothing coercive about
a president using his TV time to ask people to rethink their habits."
That slogan was not coercive but it certainly did nothing.

On a personal note: You would carry more credibility in a discussion if
you would stop the personal attacks as they generally show that you have
nothing else to add to support your position. Give it a try Doug.



You think a president making suggestions would be an example of coercion?


Remind me where I said that Doug.

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In order for this to be done right, it would require a real
president, as I stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment.
Someone like Mario Cuomo would be an example of someone real. Someone
who can function without a script.


"Just Say No to Drugs" worked great! Eh?


And that was a response to what in particular, assuming you can still
remember why you typed it?


I guess you don't remember posting "And, there is nothing coercive about
a president using his TV time to ask people to rethink their habits."
That slogan was not coercive but it certainly did nothing.

On a personal note: You would carry more credibility in a discussion if
you would stop the personal attacks as they generally show that you have
nothing else to add to support your position. Give it a try Doug.



You think a president making suggestions would be an example of coercion?


Remind me where I said that Doug.

Right here, Jimmy boy. 4:47 PM today:
"Here you go again trying to dictate what consumers can purchase."

On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:45:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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Meanwhile, asking people to grow up and
take responsibility for their actions is free, and will actually
work,
starting immediately.

So you're going to tell a single mom making $8 an hour that they
need to
trade in their 1983 Electra for a $22,000 Accord? How is that
"free"?

Are you resistant to the idea of voluntary
behavioral changes?

Nothing that involves government is voluntary. Government is by
definition
coercion ("you must") or proscription ("you can't"). That you do
not
understand this most basic concept explains the inanity of most of
your
posts.


I never said anything about telling anyone to trade in their car
immediately. I'm talking about upcoming purchases. And, there is
nothing coercive about a president using his TV time to ask people to
rethink their habits.

Does this qualify?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/27/business/gas.php


It doesn't go far enough, because asking people to pick a different car
is venturing into a decision that verges on religion. I can't think of
any other product which is so tightly bound to people's egos or
crotches than automobiles. Like I said, it would take a real president
with balls to touch the subject. The message would be somewhat
insulting, but sometimes, people need a bucket of cold water dumped on
their heads.

This is from the above link. Sounds like he did ask us to cut back, not
only to buy more efficient vehicles

He added that if Americans could avoid going on "a trip that's not
essential," that would be "helpful."

He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own
energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation.


Not far enough. Sorry. I understand I may be insulting one of your icons,
but that's just the way it goes.

He's not one of my icons. I don't agree with many of the things he has
and has not done. But you said he should say something....he already has.


In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president, as I
stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real. Someone who can function without a
script.


You are so full of crap! You and HK make a great team.

On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:10:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real

BBBAAAWWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Please - somebody make him stop - I'm having stomach cramps from
laughing too hard.

BBAAAAWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:10:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real

BBBAAAWWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Please - somebody make him stop - I'm having stomach cramps from
laughing too hard.

BBAAAAWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

Cuomo may not be your choice, but I know this: If it were up to you to
choose a president, with no input from anyone else, there is no way you
would've chosen Bush.