"wf3h" wrote in message
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HK wrote:


Our national energy policy, whatever it is (it's a secret) was
established by Dick Cheney in 2001 during a series of meetings with oil
industry executives.w


what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?

On Tue, 08 May 2007 03:13:45 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"wf3h" wrote in message
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HK wrote:


Our national energy policy, whatever it is (it's a secret) was
established by Dick Cheney in 2001 during a series of meetings with oil
industry executives.w

what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?

I have a great Hillary story.

Back when she was put in "charge" (read Ira Magaziner was in charge -
Hillary was just his mouth piece), they had an open Town Meeting in
New London to solicite public comments. I was invited by Sam "The
Man" Gedenjson who was then the Congressman from the 2nd District
which included my town. (I was invited by virtue of some veterens
work I had some with Sam and the VA - probably the only thing he ever
did as a Congressman that actually had some impact).

So, we're at the meeting, there about 150 people, about half senior
citizens. During the participatory part, this little old lady stands
up at the microphone and asked the following question (paraphrased).

"Can you tell me how your proposal will reduce my and my husband's
prescription costs, doctor's cost and my husbands stroke therapy
payments?"

This was Hillary's exact response.

"I only deal in policy, I don't deal in specifics".

Yep. Never made the news either. :)

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"wf3h" wrote in message
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HK wrote:


Our national energy policy, whatever it is (it's a secret) was
established by Dick Cheney in 2001 during a series of meetings with oil
industry executives.w


what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?


Good question. I'll pair it with another one: To which office was Manucher
Ghorbanifar elected to? What right does he have to try and influence our
policies?

Or, to simplify this for you: Do you think our policy makers speak to
absolutely nobody that wasn't elected?

NOYB wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

to the office she was appointed to by the president of the USA. ever
hear of THAT office?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?

and when DID you stop beating your wife? incidentally, 300,000,000
americans use energy....that dick cheney feels so deeply belongs only
to the rich.

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On May 7, 7:15?am, "NOYB" wrote:
Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.

Actually, the percentage of your net worth required to purchase a boat
is probably plummeting. A softening retail environment for boats (the
little and some of the middle guys can't do the fuel costs) as well as
rampaging securities market put upper income professionals, like
dentists, into a pretty good position to buy right now.

"Boating is more affordable than ever!"

If you're going to blame Pelosi for the price of refined petroleum
products, don't forget to thank her for the very nice uptick in your
stock portfolio. She has as much to do with one as with the other. Zip
in both cases.

What about those of us that have already purchased?

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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What about those of us that have already purchased?

We deserve it since we're causing global warming.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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What about those of us that have already purchased?

We deserve it since we're causing global warming.


Maybe I should sell and buy a new one.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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What about those of us that have already purchased?

We deserve it since we're causing global warming.


Maybe I should sell and buy a new one.

Do you have enough carbon credits saved up for that?

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the USA,
it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon compared to
the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged and some even
advocated raising the price of gas to force further conservation and the use
of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now blaming big
business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the natural increase
in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to
reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now blaming
big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the natural
increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a real
president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at some
point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and volunteer
to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time you're ready to
buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real needs. Stop thinking that
the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford Focus. Ignore the crap you're being
told in the commercials. Is the only reason you bought an SUV that you have
a family of 5 and a week's worth of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit your needs
equally well? Did you justify the SUV by convincing yourself they were
safer, or that you wanted to be able to see over all the other trucks? Did
you buy a pickup to haul 3 sheets of plywood just once in the entire time
you owned the vehicle? Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have to go
out and buy a Prius or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your gas usage
by 30%, just by looking at the difference between an SUV and a mini-van?
(points to chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't create laws to
change your buying habits, and there's nothing I can do about what oil
companies charge for fuel. But, you are capable of having a significant
impact on how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready. If they
continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their problem, not
yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't pick a
better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg