On 27 Apr 2007 09:21:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

It's sad that the next generation won't have some of the
same recreational opportunities that we have enjoyed---- but then
again why should we assume the next generation even wants the same
recreational opportunities? The 20-somethings today are a pretty
different breed, (but that's probably always been the perspective of
old farts like me).

As the father of a couple of 20 something sons, I can tell you with a
great deal of certainty that there are many in their generation who
are enthusiastic small boat sailors. Talk about energy efficient,
they both live in Manhattan and commute up to their weekend sailing
regattas via public transportation, and go racing on boats with no
engine at all. Yes, it really can be done, but it won't do much for
Brunswick's bottom line.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:34:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.

I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.

...and besides, golf is not only cheaper, it's better exercise than
fishing, unless you walk on water!

I used to golf, and I still think boating is cheaper. At least with a 21'
boat.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.

I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.

WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in the
truck though. .

I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.


I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186 gallons
of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices this season
probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a fill up.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of luck.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.
I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.
WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in the
truck though. .
I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.


I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186 gallons
of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices this season
probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a fill up.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of luck.





If there is a trend towards smaller boats, I'd certainly welcome it.
In addition to burning too much fuel, the larger powerboats hog dock
space at marinas and restaurants, take too long to fill up at fuel
docks, and clog up many of the Bay's small harbors with their avoirdupois.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:48:45 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

the larger powerboats hog dock
space at marinas and restaurants, take too long to fill up at fuel
docks

I don't know how you could possibly say that Harry. We can easily
take on 800 gallons or so of diesel in less than 2 hours. Next thing
you know, you'll be claiming that we are monopolizing all of the good
looking women and catching the best fish.

Here's another question / issue for you. Do I automatically tun into
a better person when I'm using my small boat?

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.

I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.

WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in the
truck though. .

I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.


I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186 gallons
of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices this season
probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a fill up.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of luck.




Have an aquaintance who runs a Z-drive Tractor Tugboat in San Francisco Bay.
132,000 gallon fuel capacity. Figure out what that fillup would set you
back.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:48:45 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

the larger powerboats hog dock
space at marinas and restaurants, take too long to fill up at fuel
docks

I don't know how you could possibly say that Harry. We can easily
take on 800 gallons or so of diesel in less than 2 hours. Next thing
you know, you'll be claiming that we are monopolizing all of the good
looking women and catching the best fish.

Here's another question / issue for you. Do I automatically tun into
a better person when I'm using my small boat?


I'm sure of it.

Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.
I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.
WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in
the
truck though. .
I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.


I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186
gallons of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices
this season probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a
fill up. OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of luck.





If there is a trend towards smaller boats, I'd certainly welcome it.
In addition to burning too much fuel, the larger powerboats hog dock
space at marinas and restaurants, take too long to fill up at fuel
docks, and clog up many of the Bay's small harbors with their avoirdupois.

And yet another testimony to the lack of existence of the imaginary
"lobster boat" brought to you by Harry.

On Apr 27, 7:57 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.

I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous. The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.

WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in the
truck though. .

I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.

I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186 gallons
of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices this season
probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a fill up.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of luck.

Have an aquaintance who runs a Z-drive Tractor Tugboat in San Francisco Bay.
132,000 gallon fuel capacity. Figure out what that fillup would set you
back.

Heck, I have an Uncle who runs several thousand ships with greater
fuel capacities.

Uncle Sam. ;-)

"JimH" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 7:57 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:07:38 -0700, "Danlw"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 26 Apr 2007 18:08:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Means that folks of ordinary or upper middle class
means aren't buying boats, and that volume is pretty crucial to
pricing of a lot of goods and services that even those of us who
aren't going to be trading boats any time soon consume on a regular
basis.

I've been saying that for over a year now just based on observation
and intuition.

I'm not exactly destitute, but it cost me $204 today to fill the
truck
with diesel (30 gallons - $83) and fill the boat (42 gallons - $121)
after burning off the old fuel this afternoon.

Do that every weekend, plus all the other expenses of going to work
(which I don't do), increasing food and home energy costs, something
has to give and that's going to be the boat.

While the economy is stable, this notion of the FED that only core
CPI
is a valid indicator of inflation and living costs is ridiculous.
The
real rate of inflation is around 13% from the first of the year and
the FED is pretending it's only around 2.3% because they discount
energy and food. Last year, real inflation was something like 9%.

Add increasing income taxes, increasing fees (my registrations went
up
this year by $5 across the board), insurance, etc., boating is the
first to go.

WOW. Only 42 gallons in the boat! Count your blessings--I put in 110
gallons today--ouch! Did get away with only 18 gallons of Diesel in
the
truck though. .

I only have a 50 gallon tank in the Ranger. :)

But speaking of which and somewhat related to Chuck's post, I know a
lot of the tourny fishermen around here are cutting back on their
weekend tournaments because of fuel prices - they can't afford to
travel anymore - it would cost them more to go than they could
potentially win.

I am sure glad we sold our 32 footer when we did. She carried 186
gallons
of fuel and was not thrifty on gas. With marina fuel prices this
season
probably approaching $4/gallon..................$744 for a fill up.
OUCH!!!!!!!!!

For those with bigger boats and larger fuel tanks...........best of
luck.

Have an aquaintance who runs a Z-drive Tractor Tugboat in San Francisco
Bay.
132,000 gallon fuel capacity. Figure out what that fillup would set you
back.

Heck, I have an Uncle who runs several thousand ships with greater
fuel capacities.

Uncle Sam. ;-)


But he does not get to pilot the ship. He hires others to do the job.