On Apr 9, 8:33 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...

Here's an item that is specific to WA state, but may also represent
similar situations elsewhere around the country:

Not soap, but related in a way:

The spilling of gasoline, diesel fuel in the water or on land has been
identified as a high level pollutant to groundwater, lakes and the oceans.
The public has been told that an incredibly small amount of gasoline spilled
on the ground can contaminate the ground water for miles.

Yet, as recently as 1999, the USA was using over 70 billion (with a "b")
lbs. of asphalt a year, building and maintaining millions of miles of
roadways. Asphalt is the last product made from crude oil after gasoline,
diesel fuel, refined oil and other petroleum products have been produced.
The asphalt is then spread all over the land, for roads and parking lots.
Storm drains are used to carry rain and melting snow from the roads into the
ground, lakes and ocean waters.
As the asphalt ages, it dries up, the remaining petroleum having been washed
away with the rain into the lakes and ocean waters.

70 billion lbs a year of fresh, oily asphalt spread out all over the land,
leaching into the water. And the bureaucrats and ecologists are worried
about soap bubbles?

Eisboch

I've been using that example for years. Also keep in mind that even
the concrete roads are covered and soaked in dirty engine oil, fuel
leaks, etc. I think all roads should immediately be torn up and
remediated as hazardous waste. OR, get practical with these stupid
regulations.

"Keith" wrote in message
ups.com...

On Apr 9, 8:33 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...

Here's an item that is specific to WA state, but may also represent
similar situations elsewhere around the country:

Not soap, but related in a way:

The spilling of gasoline, diesel fuel in the water or on land has been
identified as a high level pollutant to groundwater, lakes and the
oceans.
The public has been told that an incredibly small amount of gasoline
spilled
on the ground can contaminate the ground water for miles.

Yet, as recently as 1999, the USA was using over 70 billion (with a "b")
lbs. of asphalt a year, building and maintaining millions of miles of
roadways. Asphalt is the last product made from crude oil after
gasoline,
diesel fuel, refined oil and other petroleum products have been produced.
The asphalt is then spread all over the land, for roads and parking lots.
Storm drains are used to carry rain and melting snow from the roads into
the
ground, lakes and ocean waters.
As the asphalt ages, it dries up, the remaining petroleum having been
washed
away with the rain into the lakes and ocean waters.

70 billion lbs a year of fresh, oily asphalt spread out all over the
land,
leaching into the water. And the bureaucrats and ecologists are worried
about soap bubbles?

Eisboch


I've been using that example for years. Also keep in mind that even
the concrete roads are covered and soaked in dirty engine oil, fuel
leaks, etc. I think all roads should immediately be torn up and
remediated as hazardous waste. OR, get practical with these stupid
regulations.



The soap "event" Chuck is posting about could very well have been initiated
by an
environmentally concerned, non-boater who, for some reason, attended the
boat show, saw the soap bubbles then made a complaint, all while his oil
dripping car parked on the asphalt paved lot caused more contamination of
the water than all the boat washings combined.

Eisboch

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:57:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Keith" wrote in message
oups.com...

On Apr 9, 8:33 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...

Here's an item that is specific to WA state, but may also represent
similar situations elsewhere around the country:

Not soap, but related in a way:

The spilling of gasoline, diesel fuel in the water or on land has been
identified as a high level pollutant to groundwater, lakes and the
oceans.
The public has been told that an incredibly small amount of gasoline
spilled
on the ground can contaminate the ground water for miles.

Yet, as recently as 1999, the USA was using over 70 billion (with a "b")
lbs. of asphalt a year, building and maintaining millions of miles of
roadways. Asphalt is the last product made from crude oil after
gasoline,
diesel fuel, refined oil and other petroleum products have been produced.
The asphalt is then spread all over the land, for roads and parking lots.
Storm drains are used to carry rain and melting snow from the roads into
the
ground, lakes and ocean waters.
As the asphalt ages, it dries up, the remaining petroleum having been
washed
away with the rain into the lakes and ocean waters.

70 billion lbs a year of fresh, oily asphalt spread out all over the
land,
leaching into the water. And the bureaucrats and ecologists are worried
about soap bubbles?

Eisboch


I've been using that example for years. Also keep in mind that even
the concrete roads are covered and soaked in dirty engine oil, fuel
leaks, etc. I think all roads should immediately be torn up and
remediated as hazardous waste. OR, get practical with these stupid
regulations.



The soap "event" Chuck is posting about could very well have been initiated
by an
environmentally concerned, non-boater who, for some reason, attended the
boat show, saw the soap bubbles then made a complaint, all while his oil
dripping car parked on the asphalt paved lot caused more contamination of
the water than all the boat washings combined.

Eisboch


Isn't that the truth!

Strange, your last message shows up on my last as having been posted at
5:57, but mine shows 6:56. Don't know what causes that, but it's strange.

I've been looking at the Airstream Westfalia. http://tinyurl.com/6uqfh Did
you by any chance consider it when buying your RV?
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

"John H." wrote in message
...


I've been looking at the Airstream Westfalia. http://tinyurl.com/6uqfh Did
you by any chance consider it when buying your RV?

No, we didn't. I don't think Airstream was offering a Sprinter based RV at
the time that we bought ours. Now, just about every RV manufacturer offers
one.

Airstream commands a premium price for their traditional "silver bullet"
travel trailers and they have an excellent reputation. The Sprinter is a
conversion, not a built from scratch trailer, so I don't know if the premium
price is warranted. The base price shown on their website is about what we
paid for the Pleasure-Way that we purchased and it is fully optioned.
Ours is also not as tall .... 9'6" versus 11' for the Airstream version.
One thing I noticed ... there does not appear to be a generator option ...
or at least not that I could easily find.

Eisboch

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:44:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .


I've been looking at the Airstream Westfalia. http://tinyurl.com/6uqfh Did
you by any chance consider it when buying your RV?

No, we didn't. I don't think Airstream was offering a Sprinter based RV at
the time that we bought ours. Now, just about every RV manufacturer offers
one.

Airstream commands a premium price for their traditional "silver bullet"
travel trailers and they have an excellent reputation. The Sprinter is a
conversion, not a built from scratch trailer, so I don't know if the premium
price is warranted. The base price shown on their website is about what we
paid for the Pleasure-Way that we purchased and it is fully optioned.
Ours is also not as tall .... 9'6" versus 11' for the Airstream version.
One thing I noticed ... there does not appear to be a generator option ...
or at least not that I could easily find.

Eisboch


OK. Thanks.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

On Apr 10, 3:57�am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Keith" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Apr 9, 8:33 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

groups.com...

Here's an item that is specific to WA state, but may also represent
similar situations elsewhere around the country:

Not soap, but related in a way:

The spilling of gasoline, diesel fuel in the water or on land has been
identified as a high level pollutant to groundwater, lakes and the
oceans.
The public has been told that an incredibly small amount of gasoline
spilled
on the ground can contaminate the ground water for miles.

Yet, as recently as 1999, the USA was using over 70 billion (with a "b")
lbs. of asphalt a year, building and maintaining millions of miles of
roadways. *Asphalt is the last product made from crude oil after
gasoline,
diesel fuel, refined oil and other petroleum products have been produced.
The asphalt is then spread all over the land, for roads and parking lots.
Storm drains are used to carry rain and melting snow from the roads into
the
ground, lakes and ocean waters.
As the asphalt ages, it dries up, the remaining petroleum having been
washed
away with the rain into the lakes and ocean waters.

70 billion lbs a year of fresh, oily asphalt spread out all over the
land,
leaching into the water. *And the bureaucrats and ecologists are worried
about soap bubbles?

Eisboch

I've been using that example for years. Also keep in mind that even
the concrete roads are covered and soaked in dirty engine oil, fuel
leaks, etc. I think all roads should immediately be torn up and
remediated as hazardous waste. OR, get practical with these stupid
regulations.

The soap "event" Chuck is posting about could very well have been initiated
by an
environmentally concerned, non-boater who, for some reason, *attended the
boat show, saw the soap bubbles then made a complaint, all while his oil
dripping car parked on the asphalt paved lot caused more contamination of
the water than all the boat washings combined.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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According to the City of Seattle, Department of Public Utilities, that
is *exactly* what happened. The City only responds to complaints, they
don't have the manpower to proactively enforce the Code. The risk, of
course, is that
a handful of environmental extremists could suddenly decide to make a
career out of complaining....