I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com

wrote:
Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck?

Brace rolls like the C-C will not require a layback....

Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up?

as would forward finishing rolls.

Any links to pics, info?

http://greatlakeskayaker.ca/kayakRollingXref.htm

Mike

On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, wrote:
I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com

It might be worthwhile checking out the videos at
http://www.exchile.com/KayakSchoolRollIdentifier.htm.

unclefuzzy wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, wrote:
I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com

It might be worthwhile checking out the videos at
http://www.exchile.com/KayakSchoolRollIdentifier.htm.


Hi Unclefuzy,

Great videos by Chris Spelius showing all types of rolls including
C-to-C which can be done in a high rear deck or seat, which many sea
kayaks have. Thanks for link.

Al K

Al K wrote:
unclefuzzy wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, wrote:
I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com

It might be worthwhile checking out the videos at
http://www.exchile.com/KayakSchoolRollIdentifier.htm.


Hi Unclefuzy,

Great videos by Chris Spelius showing all types of rolls including
C-to-C which can be done in a high rear deck or seat, which many sea
kayaks have. Thanks for link.

Although I'm not a fan of the C-to-C roll, in this case, it's probably
your best bet. The keys to it are the timing of the hip snap and making
sure that your head comes up last.

Brian Nystrom wrote:
Al K wrote:
unclefuzzy wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, wrote:
I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com

It might be worthwhile checking out the videos at
http://www.exchile.com/KayakSchoolRollIdentifier.htm.


Hi Unclefuzy,

Great videos by Chris Spelius showing all types of rolls including
C-to-C which can be done in a high rear deck or seat, which many sea
kayaks have. Thanks for link.

Although I'm not a fan of the C-to-C roll, in this case, it's probably
your best bet. The keys to it are the timing of the hip snap and making
sure that your head comes up last.
Hi Brian,

Another roll not requiring going to the back deck is the front deck
roll. In the videos, the front deck roll is shown in the Hybrid Roll
video. (These videos are easily viewed using the YouTube option if you
have a high-speed connection.) Also a hybrid roll where you do not go
way back will work on high back kayaks.

Al K

Thanks for the tips!

I've been looking at some of these online roll-vid's and info. I can't
quite follow all the text how-to yet, with the terms. The vid's help.

I'm a bit concerned that examples use whitewater boats. My boat has a
round hull and high sides, too.

I do have best luck with the "take head out of water last" idea. I'll
just keep trying to put all the basics together. And I'll study C-C
more and study front deck roll, too.

I'll fiddle with dryland practice as well.

--JP

wrote in news:1175259291.833257.163650
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

Thanks for the tips!

I've been looking at some of these online roll-vid's and info. I can't
quite follow all the text how-to yet, with the terms. The vid's help.

I'm a bit concerned that examples use whitewater boats. My boat has a
round hull and high sides, too.

What kind of boat are you talking about. Some whitewater boats can be more
forgiving of poor technique but with the right technique you should be able
to learn to roll your boat. You'll often see rolling videos in ww boats
because their easier to get into a small pool where rolling "pool sessions"
often take place. You should be more concerned that those demonstrating the
rolls already know how to roll and can get away with marginal technique
because they can quickly compensate and produce a successful roll. In the
hybrid videos they briefly mention a "sweep to C" but the examples don't
really demonstrate it well. I find that a "sweep to C" roll works well if
when rolling a boat with a high rear deck.

I do have best luck with the "take head out of water last" idea. I'll
just keep trying to put all the basics together. And I'll study C-C
more and study front deck roll, too.

A C-C will be easier to learn than a front deck roll. Start first by using
someone elses boat or the side of a pool to practice a hip snap, that is,
learn how to rotate the boat under you before you bring your head out of the
water.

John Fereira wrote:
wrote in news:1175259291.833257.163650
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

Thanks for the tips!

I've been looking at some of these online roll-vid's and info. I can't
quite follow all the text how-to yet, with the terms. The vid's help.

I'm a bit concerned that examples use whitewater boats. My boat has a
round hull and high sides, too.

What kind of boat are you talking about.

I detailed the boat in the first post but maybe folks aren't familiar
with it. It's a narrow, round hull racing sea kayak---patterened after
a Seda Glider. 19 feet long, like about 20" wide. Totally round hull.

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A C-C will be easier to learn than a front deck roll. Start first by using
someone elses boat or the side of a pool to practice a hip snap, that is,
learn how to rotate the boat under you before you bring your head out of the
water.

I can do that already to a strong extent but my whole show hasn't come
together yet. I think it partly relates to having such high sides and
rear and a hull that doesn't "flop" back upright.

I think I've been using the C-C. I'll keep trying---dryland
especially.

--JP

Buy Kent Ford's video _The Kayak Roll_. He shows a sweep roll that you
end up sitting mostly upright, rotated toward the working blade. It
should work very well with your boat. There's noting critical about
leaning back if you can accomplish the same ting without it. It's also
better than the C-to-C.

Steve

wrote:
I have a woodstrip racing sea kayak patterned after the Seda Glider.
It has a really high back deck (cockpit combing). I can't lean back
hardly at all in it. I've been trying to learn how to roll it. So far,
so shaky. I wish I could get my C of G lower as my torso comes out of
the water but due to the rear deck my CoG is working against me at its
max leverage. Rats. Is there another kind of roll out there that might
be EASY with a high rear deck? Any links to pics, info? Maybe I could
somehow reverse my sweep and tuck back forward as I come up? Thanks! --
JP outyourbackdoor.com