Sure Harry, we believe you. You say he said it....it *has* to be true then. Eh fella?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Passed along...


Bush, commenting on Arnold...

"How come a guy from Australia has a German accent?"


Sure sounds like our boy-toy POTUS.




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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:44:21 GMT, "Jim" wrote:

Sure Harry, we believe you. You say he said it....it *has* to be true then. Eh fella?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Passed along...


Bush, commenting on Arnold...

"How come a guy from Australia has a German accent?"


Sure sounds like our boy-toy POTUS.




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Jim, why did you start a new thread as opposed to simply responding to the old
OT thread? Just wondering. I noticed jps does that a lot also.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:44:21 GMT, "Jim" wrote:

Sure Harry, we believe you. You say he said it....it *has* to be true then. Eh
fella?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Passed along...


Bush, commenting on Arnold...

"How come a guy from Australia has a German accent?"


Sure sounds like our boy-toy POTUS.




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email sent to will *never* get to me.


Jim, why did you start a new thread as opposed to simply responding to the old
OT thread? Just wondering. I noticed jps does that a lot also.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

???????

I did not start a new thread. I simply responded to Harry within the thread he
started.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 +0000, wrote:


Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

I don't know if it is just your newsreader. I'm using Pan and it is
still the same thread, albeit a different header.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:19:17 +0000, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 +0000, wrote:


Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

I suspect Forte does some filtering on the colon. OT: as opposed to
I guess it avoids those threads.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:49:46 +0000, wrote:


If you (and you specifically said you didn't) or your software
package arbitrarily changes the subject in a Usenet post then it
has caused the creation of another thread and should be depicted
as such.

Perhaps a quick read of RFC 2822 is in order.

Damn, Outlook Express isn't RFC compliant. What a shocker. ;-)

But I suspect Forte isn't either. Section 2.2 of the above RFC,
states that " Header fields are lines composed of a field name,
followed by a colon (":"), followed by a field body, and terminated
by CRLF. "

There wasn't any CRLF after the colon in OT:

Unbelievable. You need to get a life.


"." .@. wrote in message ...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:19:17 -0400, "thunder" wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 +0000, wrote:


Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

I don't know if it is just your newsreader. I'm using Pan and it is
still the same thread, albeit a different header.

What do you mean, "different header"? Subject line? If so, that is my
point.

Let me rephrase my question. Did the subject change between the
original post and the post from Jim? It certainly appears to me that
it did. What is a newsreader supposed to do, ignore the required
"Subject: " header and go exclusively by the "Message-ID: " header? I
think not.

If you (and you specifically said you didn't) or your software package
arbitrarily changes the subject in a Usenet post then it has caused
the creation of another thread and should be depicted as such.

Perhaps a quick read of RFC 2822 is in order.

The original post had the following headers:

NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:32:44 -0500
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:31:54 -0400
From: Harry Krause
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Gecko/20030625
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: OT: The Latest Bush-ism...
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The reply post from Jim had the following headers:

From: "Jim"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
References:
Subject: The Latest Bush-ism...
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Again. If the subject has changed, you have started a new thread.

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 -0400, . .@. wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:31:56 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:


Actually I did not. I replied. I did not start a new thread.

Don't blame me for your problems with your ng reader.

Actually, I have a newsreader. You don't. You are using an email
program to approximate reading newsgroups.

Does anybody else see two different threads?

Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

In Forté Agent, there's an option to "Start a new Thread when Followup Subject
Changes."

The reason a new thread was started is that "Jim"
apparently edited the Subject: line when he followed up, removing the "OT:"
That made the newsreader think it was a whole new thread--even though it had
been created as a follow-up, not a new article.

HTH,
Joe Parsons


Nope, I did no such thing. All I did was reply. I can honestly say that I do not know
how the OT was removed. I would have no reason for doing so.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:44:28 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 -0400, . .@. wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:31:56 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:


Actually I did not. I replied. I did not start a new thread.

Don't blame me for your problems with your ng reader.

Actually, I have a newsreader. You don't. You are using an email
program to approximate reading newsgroups.

Does anybody else see two different threads?

Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

In Forté Agent, there's an option to "Start a new Thread when Followup Subject
Changes."

The reason a new thread was started is that "Jim"
apparently edited the Subject: line when he followed up, removing the "OT:"
That made the newsreader think it was a whole new thread--even though it had
been created as a follow-up, not a new article.

HTH,
Joe Parsons


Nope, I did no such thing. All I did was reply. I can honestly say that I do not know
how the OT was removed. I would have no reason for doing so.

Hmm...it was a weirdness in Outhouse Excuse. I just duplicated the
behavior. Evidently, OE strips out the "OT:"

So you have been exonerated for "changing the subject."

But you're still on the hook for using a lame news client like Outhouse Excuse.


Joe Parsons

"." .@. wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:19:17 -0400, "thunder" wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:41:41 +0000, wrote:


Is it just my newsreader? If so, I'll complain to Forte.

I don't know if it is just your newsreader. I'm using Pan and it is
still the same thread, albeit a different header.

What do you mean, "different header"? Subject line? If so, that is my
point.

Let me rephrase my question. Did the subject change between the
original post and the post from Jim? It certainly appears to me that
it did. What is a newsreader supposed to do, ignore the required
"Subject: " header and go exclusively by the "Message-ID: " header? I
think not.



That's what happens when you use one of these high performance newsreaders!
Go old OE could care less what the header reads. It groups them because it
is a response to the previous post. Change the header completely in your
response and OE still sticks it where it belongs!

Just pulling your chain a bit. I have used a few different news readers, but
stick with OE. It is simple, and it does what I want.
Greg