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Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K
+MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob |
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blentz wrote:
Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Bob, There is no set amount off of MSRP, like autos it depends upon demand for that model in your area and the time of the year. I can remember when a Honda Accord was selling for $1500 higher than MSRP. The way I did it was to find 3 similar models from different mfg'ers, I negotiated the best price on all all 3, than I used the lowest price as an negotiating tool for my preferred model. If the dealer is selling all he can get a X price, don't expect him to want to sell to you at X - X%. But as a general rule, I have found you have to be able to walk away from the deal, if you really want to get a "fair" deal. It is amazing how they will negotiate after you walked away, saying you had to look at brand X again. |
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On Feb 13, 11:06?am, "blentz" wrote:
Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob First, make sure the $250k is really MSRP. Probably is, if you're considering a new 34-footer, but there's no Monroney label on boats like you'd see on a car, so the retail price may or may not have anything to do with what the manufacturer "suggests" the dealer ask for the boat. Some boats have about a 25-30% gross margin at MSRP- but there may be more margin than that at work in the boat you're considering. That said, don't expect a 25-30% discount or anything even remotely close. Flooring costs start chewing into that gross on the first day the boat is in inventory, One can say "I don't want to pay for the dealer's inventory finance charges!", but most people are glad to be able to take delivery of the boat they want when they want it or to have an actual boat to examine while shopping and so that normal business cost is an expensive part of the overhead intended to be covered by the gross margin. Volume in the boat business isn't anything at all like the automobile business, and you won't walk away with a new boat "back of invoice" in most normal situations. To remain in business and take care of you after the sale, a dealer needs to make many thousands in profits, not just a few hundred. If I were buying a new boat, I'd offer about 75-80% of MSRP and then be prepared to come up in a few small increments (very, very, slowly and never without a concession from the seller). They say a "good deal" is one where the buyer and the seller are equally unhappy with the price. :-) Where you can usually save a lot is on the "locally installed options". Whew! My favorite example is the "electronics package". It isn't unusual to see a group of items that one could buy retail at Boaters World or West Marine for maybe $5000 lumped together into an "electronics package" that adds $20,000 to the asking price. There's probably a day's wages for a rigger ($20-30/hour for a real pro), two days at the most, reflected in that $15,000 markup. Figure the dealer paid close to catalog retail for the electronics (and he probably did), but don't be afraid to ask to see a big chunk of the rest of the package price moved to your side of the ledger. :-) Be tough, but be fair in negotiations. You don't want to make an enemy of the guy who will be taking care of any "isms" that need to ironed out of the new boat. You should expect and allow the dealer to make a reasonable profit, and, in fact, unless he does you probably aren't going to get together on a boat deal. No matter what you pay when you buy and asset that will depreciate faster than ice on a sidewalk in August it will be "too much", so it's just a matter of degree. You can always go get more money, but you can never get any more time than you've got coming to you. Life is short, enjoy your boat, make your best deal, and then don't worry too much about the amount of profit the dealer made or what somebody else "claims" to have paid for the same boat. |
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On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote:
Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare |
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Corsair23 wrote:
On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Take a deep breath and count to 10. It is possible that this guy contribute more money and a larger percent of is income to charity, than you would ever consider. It is possible that he can afford this boat, because he had invented a service or product that saves lives at a lower cost than what was available before. You have no knowledge of this guy, except his can afford a $250,000 boat and he wants to make sure the dealer makes enough profit to stay in business and be glad to have him as a customer. Sounds to me like the OP was reasonable, and you have some issues you need to work on. |
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On Feb 14, 2:53 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "remove
wrote: Corsair23 wrote: On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Take a deep breath and count to 10. It is possible that this guy contribute more money and a larger percent of is income to charity, than you would ever consider. It is possible that he can afford this boat, because he had invented a service or product that saves lives at a lower cost than what was available before. You have no knowledge of this guy, except his can afford a $250,000 boat and he wants to make sure the dealer makes enough profit to stay in business and be glad to have him as a customer. Sounds to me like the OP was reasonable, and you have some issues you need to work on.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - and he wants to make sure the dealer makes enough profit to stay in business Since WHEN do the rich worry about anyone but themselves? They make their money off the backs of the poor. I have NEVER met ONE generous rich person yet.And they wonder " why someone keyed my new Caddy?" I bet his small penis grew from bragging about this. It is possible that he can afford this boat, because he had invented a service or product that saves lives at a lower cost than what was available before. Why are YOU making excuses for him? Its gotta be a economy raping CEO.......... " Hang the rich....then ask questions" |
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On Feb 14, 2:53 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "remove
wrote: Corsair23 wrote: On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Take a deep breath and count to 10. It is possible that this guy contribute more money and a larger percent of is income to charity, than you would ever consider. It is possible that he can afford this boat, because he had invented a service or product that saves lives at a lower cost than what was available before. You have no knowledge of this guy, except his can afford a $250,000 boat and he wants to make sure the dealer makes enough profit to stay in business and be glad to have him as a customer. Sounds to me like the OP was reasonable, and you have some issues you need to work on.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're also hiding behind a ficticious account name.....I DONT ****ing hide. Dont like me? Come to my neighborhood......... |
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"Corsair23" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 14, 2:53 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "remove wrote: Corsair23 wrote: On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Take a deep breath and count to 10. It is possible that this guy contribute more money and a larger percent of is income to charity, than you would ever consider. It is possible that he can afford this boat, because he had invented a service or product that saves lives at a lower cost than what was available before. You have no knowledge of this guy, except his can afford a $250,000 boat and he wants to make sure the dealer makes enough profit to stay in business and be glad to have him as a customer. Sounds to me like the OP was reasonable, and you have some issues you need to work on.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're also hiding behind a ficticious account name.....I DONT ****ing hide. Dont like me? Come to my neighborhood......... Your name is Corsair? A boating robber. |
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On 14 Feb 2007 11:32:23 -0800, "Corsair23" wrote:
On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Are you pretending to be JimH on a rant, or are you just jealous that someone may have more initiative, more education, and worked harder than you did? Do you think there's no one in the group who has a boat that's at least 34' long? Are all of them 'rich ****s'? -- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
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On Feb 14, 11:32�am, "Corsair23" wrote:
On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote: Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K +MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks under warranty! thanks in advance, Bob Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make your small penis seem bigger? Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off! Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont have to pay tax on it, aren't you? Another economy raping CEO probably. * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Your Worst ****ing Nightmare Get real. This is 2007, not the 1950's. Scrimping and saving to spend $250,000 on a boat doesn't put anybody into the "rich ***k" category. Hate to break it to you, but $250,000 is not much money in this day and age. 2-3 times the price of a luxury car, or about a year's income for a family with two breadwinners in upper-middle management at decent jobs. Spending a year's income on a boat is not ridiculous, especially as it can be an enduring asset that will can be owned and enjoyed for 15-20 years and the money put into the boat would normally have gone into some other form of recreational spending (skiing, flights to Europe, time share condo, etc) if it weren't being spent on the boat. Most people who own and enjoy a decent boat do so *instead* of something else, not in addition to everything everybody else is enjoying. I just did a photo shoot on and write-up on a boat that is $3.4mm. Now in my opinion that's getting pretty well out of sight for the majority of us, and whoever winds up owning it proably could be considered "rich" by most standards- yet I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the 1/10 of 1% of the population able to comfortably afford such a boat were once again spending only about a year's income (maybe much less) on its purchase. So if you're spending weekends in a 1969 16' Reinell with a rotten plywood transom and an engine that blows more oil than the Exxon Valdez, (and if that represents a year's income to you) it's probably not the fault of people who own modest boats like a 34-footer. Why take your anger out on somebody who possibly made better choices along the line? Your first problem, apparently, is that you think $250,000 is still a lot of money.......in an era where "millionaires" are as common as "hundred-thousandaires" were maybe 15-20 years ago. (If I saw $1mm blowing down the street you can bet I'd stop to scoop it up, but if I ever got lucky enough to have that sort of money I'd never claim to be "rich" in the modern economy). In November 2006, the average American household had a net worth of $465,000. Considering the 10's of millions of Americans living in near poverty (or worse), there are a lot of multi-million net worths out there in this day and age to bring the average up to $465,000. Cite: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...00Million.aspx Your second problem may have something to do with your anger that somebody is enjoying a moderate amount of success in life. Who knows? With a check-up from the neck up you too could soon be earning at a rate that would allow you to afford a $250,000 boat. Condolences to the OP who ventured into rec.boats to meet up with a hostile response from some guy who needed to make repeated references to the male organ. Do stick around, this type of nonsense used to be, but isn't really any longer commonly encountered here. |
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