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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?


Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?


Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch


OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)

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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)


I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can sit
in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second after
hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

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On Feb 7, 6:06 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)

I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can sit
in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second after
hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

It is OK to be wrong Doug. I will not get into the ****ing contest
you want this to turn into. ;-)

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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 6:06 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)

I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can
sit
in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second
after
hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

It is OK to be wrong Doug. I will not get into the ****ing contest
you want this to turn into. ;-)


I'm wrong about the terminology, but the effect still sounds similar. If the
ambient temp doesn't affect the liquid, but adding wind DOES, then...ya
know. What's your explanation?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)


I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can
sit in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second
after hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

My Buick Lucerne has a windshield washer fluid warmer upper. Came on the
car when I bought it new. Can't tell you how effective it is, I live in
Florida. Maybe I'll take a trip up North to test it. Nah, forget that.

Why the hell they put options like that on cars destined for Florida is
beyond me.

Forget that too, I know why.

As for the heated seats, that's another story. I do occasionally use them
and of course the cooled seats are very nice in the loooong summer.

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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)


I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can
sit in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second
after hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

My Buick Lucerne has a windshield washer fluid warmer upper. Came on the
car when I bought it new. Can't tell you how effective it is, I live in
Florida. Maybe I'll take a trip up North to test it. Nah, forget that.

Why the hell they put options like that on cars destined for Florida is
beyond me.

Forget that too, I know why.

As for the heated seats, that's another story. I do occasionally use them
and of course the cooled seats are very nice in the loooong summer.


My wife has heated seats in her Highlander. They have come in handy,
including today when she drove me to a doctors appointment. ;-)

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On Feb 7, 6:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Feb 7, 6:06 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)

I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid can
sit
in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second
after
hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

It is OK to be wrong Doug. I will not get into the ****ing contest
you want this to turn into. ;-)

I'm wrong about the terminology, but the effect still sounds similar. If the
ambient temp doesn't affect the liquid, but adding wind DOES, then...ya
know. What's your explanation?

Ambient temperature has everything to do with bringing the liquid down
to it's level........on a time and exposure basis. Liquids exposed to
winds during that exposure only speed up the process.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel
gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get
enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel
additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable
for educational (school bus) use?

Do they use block heaters? Additives?

Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it
is here.

They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about
18/22%.

This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using
the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive
I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better.

When I used to manage a fleet of buses we used some anti-gelling agent
called Aronol. It worked great. We ordered it in 55 gallon drums.

Fredo