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News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel
gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? |
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On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? Do they use block heaters? Additives? Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it is here. They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about 18/22%. This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? Do they use block heaters? Additives? Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it is here. They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about 18/22%. This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better. I haven't had any starting problems at all so far in the F-350 using ULS fuel and no block heater. Even on the 5 degree mornings of last week it started ok. It cranked a little slower, but fired up, shook a bit for a few seconds, then settled in. Takes a while to get it up to operating temperature though. Fast idle won't do it. Eisboch |
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On Feb 7, 9:10 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com... On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? Do they use block heaters? Additives? Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it is here. They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about 18/22%. This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better. I haven't had any starting problems at all so far in the F-350 using ULS fuel and no block heater. Even on the 5 degree mornings of last week it started ok. It cranked a little slower, but fired up, shook a bit for a few seconds, then settled in. Takes a while to get it up to operating temperature though. Fast idle won't do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message oups.com... The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. Maybe. Mine shifts ok but is programmed not to go into OD until the transmission temp is over some predetermined temperature. The '05 (maybe other years as well) PSD block heater was an "option". Turns out that the actual heater is installed (comes from International that way) but Ford does not supply the wiring harness and it is what is constitutes the "option". When I was having early problems with the truck I asked about the optional wiring harness and they gave me one free. I have never got around to installing it. Knock on wood .... the problems I had with the truck (all at 12k miles or less) seem to have been resolved. I now have almost 25k miles on it and it has been perfect. I just hope Ford stays in business long enough to honor the remaining warranty should any other problems occur. Boating content: Heard from the broker yesterday. An interested buyer returned for a second showing of the Navigator, this time bringing his wife and daughter. According to the broker, the "decision makers" approved of the boat, so an offer may be coming. Mixed feelings about this. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:30:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message roups.com... The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. Maybe. Mine shifts ok but is programmed not to go into OD until the transmission temp is over some predetermined temperature. The '05 (maybe other years as well) PSD block heater was an "option". Turns out that the actual heater is installed (comes from International that way) but Ford does not supply the wiring harness and it is what is constitutes the "option". When I was having early problems with the truck I asked about the optional wiring harness and they gave me one free. I have never got around to installing it. Knock on wood .... the problems I had with the truck (all at 12k miles or less) seem to have been resolved. I now have almost 25k miles on it and it has been perfect. I just hope Ford stays in business long enough to honor the remaining warranty should any other problems occur. Boating content: Heard from the broker yesterday. An interested buyer returned for a second showing of the Navigator, this time bringing his wife and daughter. According to the broker, the "decision makers" approved of the boat, so an offer may be coming. Mixed feelings about this. Eisboch How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? -- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
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"JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Eisboch |
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On Feb 7, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. My experience with the 7.3 is different for some reason. A couple of winters ago, I had a gel problem when the temps stayed below 10 for a few days - I didn't use the block heater and everything gummed up. And it takes time to thaw the damn thing out. That and I was using the Lucas diesel conditionar and that stuff sucks big time. When I switched to Diesel Dr., things improved and when I changed that to the Ford conditioner, no more problems. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Greatest invention since sliced cheese. |
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On Feb 7, 10:30 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com... The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. Maybe. Mine shifts ok but is programmed not to go into OD until the transmission temp is over some predetermined temperature. I wonder if that's the case with mine. Hmmm - I'll give a call to my service manager buddy and see. The '05 (maybe other years as well) PSD block heater was an "option". Turns out that the actual heater is installed (comes from International that way) but Ford does not supply the wiring harness and it is what is constitutes the "option". When I was having early problems with the truck I asked about the optional wiring harness and they gave me one free. I have never got around to installing it. Exactly. In fact, it's a bear to change the heater, but the harness is fairly simple. I changed mine two years ago when the plug got a little flaky - harness cost $50. Expensive little bunch of wires. Knock on wood .... the problems I had with the truck (all at 12k miles or less) seem to have been resolved. I now have almost 25k miles on it and it has been perfect. I just hope Ford stays in business long enough to honor the remaining warranty should any other problems occur. I don't think Ford is going to go away entirely, but they have got to get rid of the Ford family's controlling interest - they are killing the company. Boating content: Heard from the broker yesterday. An interested buyer returned for a second showing of the Navigator, this time bringing his wife and daughter. According to the broker, the "decision makers" approved of the boat, so an offer may be coming. Mixed feelings about this.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Know that you mean. I just received an offer on the Halman - I really want to sail it, but I just don't have the freakin' time. And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll be looking for another boat. Come on - admit it. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
ps.com... On Feb 7, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. My experience with the 7.3 is different for some reason. A couple of winters ago, I had a gel problem when the temps stayed below 10 for a few days - I didn't use the block heater and everything gummed up. And it takes time to thaw the damn thing out. That and I was using the Lucas diesel conditionar and that stuff sucks big time. When I switched to Diesel Dr., things improved and when I changed that to the Ford conditioner, no more problems. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Greatest invention since sliced cheese. Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
. .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ups.com... And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll be looking for another boat. Come on - admit it. :) We shall see. Right now the plan is to use the GB for at least a season and see how it fits. I also have to decide what to do with the Scout that is sitting out in the yard. I keep thinking I'll use it ... but never do. It's a shame .. only 20 hours or so on the engine. Maybe the best thing is to clean it up, have it serviced and sell it. Contrary to popular belief, he with the most toys doesn't win .... he just ends up with a yard full of unused toys. Eisboch |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. I refuse to enter into a "wind chill" debate about non-living objects. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. I refuse to enter into a "wind chill" debate about non-living objects. Eisboch I agree. The label on the blue crap disagrees, but who cares? Whoever mixed the stuff was lying. Maybe I'll dump a bottle of 151 rum into the tank. |
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On Feb 7, 12:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. Only living animals are subject to wind chill. |
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"JimH" wrote in message
ups.com... On Feb 7, 12:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. Only living animals are subject to wind chill. Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 7, 9:10 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com... On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? Do they use block heaters? Additives? Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it is here. They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about 18/22%. This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better. I haven't had any starting problems at all so far in the F-350 using ULS fuel and no block heater. Even on the 5 degree mornings of last week it started ok. It cranked a little slower, but fired up, shook a bit for a few seconds, then settled in. Takes a while to get it up to operating temperature though. Fast idle won't do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. I change my transmission oil every 30,000, and have never had any problems, but then again, you are a tab bit colder than I am. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 7, 12:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. Only living animals are subject to wind chill. Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid? The real question is, if you have a water fountain outside, will the water pressure be less, resulting in more lip to fountain contact in cold weather? Will the wind chill reduce the water pressure even more? |
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:55:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. Yes. We had a diesel car for a while when we were living in the 'burbs NE of NYC. There was a cold snap on Christmas morning sometime in the early '80s, with the temperature about 5 below. We were headed for Connecticut and got about a mile from the house before it died from congealed fuel, only time we ever had a problem. It started up fine later that day after the weather had warmed up. |
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On 7 Feb 2007 09:10:19 -0800, "Short Wave Sportfishing"
wrote: And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll be looking for another boat. Maybe a bigger Grand Banks... :-) |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Eisboch I usually have an extension cord available to plug in my block heater and battery blanket. In temperatures below 10F it makes a big difference. The battery is near full potential and the engine turns over easily (reducing wear & tear). The window defroster and interior heater work quicker too. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ps.com... On Feb 7, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. My experience with the 7.3 is different for some reason. A couple of winters ago, I had a gel problem when the temps stayed below 10 for a few days - I didn't use the block heater and everything gummed up. And it takes time to thaw the damn thing out. That and I was using the Lucas diesel conditionar and that stuff sucks big time. When I switched to Diesel Dr., things improved and when I changed that to the Ford conditioner, no more problems. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Greatest invention since sliced cheese. Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. All the windshield washer detergent they sell here is rated at -40. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ups.com... Know that you mean. I just received an offer on the Halman - I really want to sail it, but I just don't have the freakin' time. snip.. Selling the Halman 20? Don't let it go too cheap... http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 7 Feb 2007 09:10:19 -0800, "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote: And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll be looking for another boat. Maybe a bigger Grand Banks... :-) There's no question that the Navigator at 52' LOA and with a 15' beam is more spacious than the GB at 36' with what, a 13' beam? Unless I decide to sell it, my slip will accommodate up to a 55' foot boat. Hmmmmm...... Eisboch |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... All the windshield washer detergent they sell here is rated at -40. C and F. Eisboch |
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On Feb 7, 11:16 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Been there - done that. I use the pink stuff now. |
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On Feb 7, 11:25 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. I refuse to enter into a "wind chill" debate about non-living objects. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ROTFL!!! |
Chilly Diesel Problems
On Feb 7, 11:28 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Eisboch The latest bottle says it's good to -25 F. !!! What a crock. And again, this is while standing still. No wind chill. I refuse to enter into a "wind chill" debate about non-living objects. Eisboch I agree. The label on the blue crap disagrees, but who cares? Whoever mixed the stuff was lying. Maybe I'll dump a bottle of 151 rum into the tank.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There you go. Add diaquiri mix and you can drain it in the spring and drink it!! |
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On Feb 7, 11:21 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com... And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll be looking for another boat. Come on - admit it. :) We shall see. Right now the plan is to use the GB for at least a season and see how it fits. I also have to decide what to do with the Scout that is sitting out in the yard. I keep thinking I'll use it ... but never do. It's a shame .. only 20 hours or so on the engine. Maybe the best thing is to clean it up, have it serviced and sell it. Contrary to popular belief, he with the most toys doesn't win .... he just ends up with a yard full of unused toys. I'm still in the most toys camp - it's very satisfying. However, this might be a good summer to use the Scout. Drop me a line - I'm game to go anytime you want. I'll even buy the gas. :) |
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On Feb 7, 1:14 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com... Know that you mean. I just received an offer on the Halman - I really want to sail it, but I just don't have the freakin' time. snip.. Selling the Halman 20? Don't let it go too cheap...http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm Hell, I'd let it go for $4K if it went to a good home. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ups.com... However, this might be a good summer to use the Scout. Drop me a line - I'm game to go anytime you want. I'll even buy the gas. :) You might fall asleep. It has a 4 stroke Yamaha. Eisboch |
Chilly Diesel Problems
On Feb 7, 12:00 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Feb 7, 9:10 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com... On Feb 7, 7:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not suitable for educational (school bus) use? Do they use block heaters? Additives? Kerosene should be added at the fuel distribution point - it is here. They may not have the mix right - around here, it's about 18/22%. This is the first year I haven't had a gel problem - I'm using the Ford diesel fuel additive as opposed to the Lucas additive I used to use in the winter. Seems to work better. I haven't had any starting problems at all so far in the F-350 using ULS fuel and no block heater. Even on the 5 degree mornings of last week it started ok. It cranked a little slower, but fired up, shook a bit for a few seconds, then settled in. Takes a while to get it up to operating temperature though. Fast idle won't do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The wonders of block heaters. When I start off on morning patrol, it's warm by the time I hit the end of the road (1.3 miles) and I've got heat in the cab 1/4 mile later. The 7.3 is a tough start when it's cold - the preheater only does two cylinders and when it's really cold, the truck actually lurches until enough compression builds up to fire off the other cylinders. With the ULS fuel, it's worse than it used to be, so I started using the block heater. Starts just peachy cool fine, smooth and like I said - heat a lot faster. The one problem I'm having with this cold snap is the transmission - takes a while for it to warm up and shift properly. Maybe it's time to change the transmission oil. I change my transmission oil every 30,000, and have never had any problems, but then again, you are a tab bit colder than I am.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I change mine every 60 or so and I'm at 113,000 now. Probably before summer. |
Chilly Diesel Problems
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. "JLH" wrote in message ... How does the Sprinter do on these cold mornings? It started fine the other day at 14 degrees after sitting without running for about a month. I haven't tried it on the really cold days. I don't like to start engines unless I am going to drive them long enough to warm up to operating temp. My experience has been that diesels are fine until the temp gets below zero. The major fuel suppliers modify the fuel formulations for "winter" and "summer" blends that adds anti-gelling properties for cold weather. Now, if you lived in Alaska or North Dakota, that would be a different story where the use of block heaters and additional fuel conditioners is required. Shortwave has a point though. Using a block heater here in New England would surely help with the engine warm up time. Mine takes about 8 miles of driving before the engine temperature gauge even starts to move. Fortunately, my truck is equipped with heated seats, so it is tolerable. Also, although not "hot" ... the heater does start to throw some warm air within the first couple of miles, even if the gauge hasn't moved. Eisboch I usually have an extension cord available to plug in my block heater and battery blanket. In temperatures below 10F it makes a big difference. The battery is near full potential and the engine turns over easily (reducing wear & tear). The window defroster and interior heater work quicker too. Another reason to not live is certain places. My mom said they saw -42 one time when she was a kid. Glad they moved before I was born. Nebraska, 1/2 mile from the Wyoming border. |
Chilly Diesel Problems
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 7, 11:16 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week, frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from Armorall or whoever makes it. I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe you got some of the wrong stuff. Been there - done that. I use the pink stuff now. Rental car in New Jersey years ago. Turned on the windshield washers while driving over an overpass. Solid sheet of ice on the windshield. |
Chilly Diesel Problems
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 7, 1:14 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com... Know that you mean. I just received an offer on the Halman - I really want to sail it, but I just don't have the freakin' time. snip.. Selling the Halman 20? Don't let it go too cheap...http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm Hell, I'd let it go for $4K if it went to a good home. mmmm.that's about $4741.00 CDN today. If I had a truck strong enough to tow it.............. and was willing to join a yacht club...... |
Chilly Diesel Problems
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:35:00 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message roups.com... On Feb 7, 1:14 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com... Know that you mean. I just received an offer on the Halman - I really want to sail it, but I just don't have the freakin' time. snip.. Selling the Halman 20? Don't let it go too cheap...http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm Hell, I'd let it go for $4K if it went to a good home. mmmm.that's about $4741.00 CDN today. If I had a truck strong enough to tow it.............. and was willing to join a yacht club...... ....and had a good home... -- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
Chilly Diesel Problems
"Eisboch" wrote in message . .. The '05 (maybe other years as well) PSD block heater was an "option". Turns out that the actual heater is installed (comes from International that way) but Ford does not supply the wiring harness and it is what is constitutes the "option". When I was having early problems with the truck I asked about the optional wiring harness and they gave me one free. I have never got around to installing it. I got lucky. I got my truck in NY and the dealer ordered the cord. Unfortunately, the 6.4 is going to be the same. Below I have posted a link that gives the instruction to install and route the block heater wire for the 6.0. http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articl...icle-05-20.php Mark |
Chilly Diesel Problems
"r_d" wrote in message . com... "Eisboch" wrote in message . .. The '05 (maybe other years as well) PSD block heater was an "option". Turns out that the actual heater is installed (comes from International that way) but Ford does not supply the wiring harness and it is what is constitutes the "option". When I was having early problems with the truck I asked about the optional wiring harness and they gave me one free. I have never got around to installing it. I got lucky. I got my truck in NY and the dealer ordered the cord. Unfortunately, the 6.4 is going to be the same. Below I have posted a link that gives the instruction to install and route the block heater wire for the 6.0. http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articl...icle-05-20.php Mark Hey, thanks for the link. Now, if it ever gets warm enough to go outside and play under the hood, I'll install it. Of course, then I won't need it. :-) Eisboch |
Chilly Diesel Problems
On Feb 7, 1:51 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com... However, this might be a good summer to use the Scout. Drop me a line - I'm game to go anytime you want. I'll even buy the gas. :) You might fall asleep. It has a 4 stroke Yamaha. I can survive a trip with ancient technology. :) |
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