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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:
The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc 1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed. Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the barbs on those are 1.5". Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2" adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with 1 1/2" diesel filler hose. Warm the hose--don't overheat it!--and put a little dish soap on the inside of it and on the fitting. You should be able to get it the hose onto it. I can. Thanks - I'll try it! If I can't, can you make a house-call to Vancouver, Canada? Try heating any hose that has to come OFF a fitting or a thru-hull. Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose. Certainly can't get hot water. At this point, I'm thinking angle-grinder (although I don't think that would fit either...maybe a small explosive??) I thought you said you'd bought my book...you might consider reading it ...'cuz all of the above is in it. I'll do that! Lloyd |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote: The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc 1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed. Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the barbs on those are 1.5". Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2" adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with 1 1/2" diesel filler hose. Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same. PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry. I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes, nominal and actual are the same. What's more, plumbing fittings--PVC, bronze, or anything else--aren't made to aerospace tolerances...wall thicknesses of two "identical" fittings can vary by as much as 50%, which can affect the ID, OD or both. And OdorSafe hose is so stiff that even a 1/16th an inch can make it very hard to get onto one. However, nylon and marelon fittings are made specifically for the marine industry...and nominal 1.5 x 1.5 fittings are ACTUAL 1.5 x 1.5. Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris. Warm the hose--don't overheat it!--and put a little dish soap on the inside of it and on the fitting. You should be able to get it the hose onto it. I can. Thanks - I'll try it! If I can't, can you make a house-call to Vancouver, Canada? Sure, if you'll pay my travel expenses! Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose. Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension cords. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:20 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:
Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote: The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc 1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed. Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the barbs on those are 1.5". Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2" adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with 1 1/2" diesel filler hose. Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same. PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry. I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes, nominal and actual are the same. I measured both fittings: the plastic (donno if it's pvc or nylon) is just a hair over 1.5". Some hot water and soapy got it on fine. The other one is also a hair over 1.5, and yes, the two fittings on the suction break are about 1/32" different. Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris. Must be bronze - I bought it a a marine store (at typical marine price!) and they knew it was for a holding tank. Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose. Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension cords. Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot! Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Any way I can cut it off without damaging the fitting? Lloyd |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot! Why would it be full of water before you ever use it???? Unless you tried putting hot water in it??? You don't heat hose from the inside, Lloyd...you warm it from the outside. You just stick the end into a pot of boiling water--which can be a little hard to do in some locations--or you just turn a blow dryer on it (from a distance that isn't likely to burn it)...and let it run for a few minutes. Because you don't want to risk damaging the hose, you do need some patience. Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Noooo! If you do that, the hose will never seal. Any way I can cut it off without damaging the fitting? Same way you should have put it on: warm it with a blow dryer. It should soften up enough to come off. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
He has 2 hoses. One to put on and one to remove and discard. 2 different
applications I think. You guys are beginning to speak different dialects of English. -W "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot! Why would it be full of water before you ever use it???? Unless you tried putting hot water in it??? You don't heat hose from the inside, Lloyd...you warm it from the outside. You just stick the end into a pot of boiling water--which can be a little hard to do in some locations--or you just turn a blow dryer on it (from a distance that isn't likely to burn it)...and let it run for a few minutes. Because you don't want to risk damaging the hose, you do need some patience. Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Noooo! If you do that, the hose will never seal. Any way I can cut it off without damaging the fitting? Same way you should have put it on: warm it with a blow dryer. It should soften up enough to come off. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:01:56 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:
Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot! Why would it be full of water before you ever use it???? Sorry, I'm not making myself clear. I have two problems: getting a hose ON, and getting a hose OFF. Your advice solved the first problem, I'm now working on the second. This hose hasn't been taken off in at least 15 years, and is diesel-filler hose (red, maybe rubber?). It's full of water because it's the hose going from the suction-break (4ft above the hull) to the thru-hull (basically at the hull), and either it or the thruhull is clogged (and the boat is in the water and the thruhull is below the waterline, so how do you drain it?) So it's full of water. AND I'll never use this hose again, I just have to get it off so I can clear the clog and replace the hose with proper sewage hose. I don't care if I ruin the hose, as long as I can re-use the fitting. Lloyd |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
Maybe Clams was right after all!
This hose hasn't been taken off in at least 15 years, and is diesel-filler hose (red, maybe rubber?). It's full of water because it's the hose going from the suction-break (4ft above the hull) to the thru-hull (basically at the hull), and either it or the thruhull is clogged (and the boat is in the water and the thruhull is below the waterline, so how do you drain it?) So it's full of water. AND I'll never use this hose again, I just have to get it off so I can clear the clog and replace the hose with proper sewage hose. I don't care if I ruin the hose, as long as I can re-use the fitting. Aha! HOkay... In that case, yes...you can drill a hole in the hose to drain the water out of it. Otoh, you could cut the hose behind the fitting. The water drains out, and now you're only working with a 4-6" length of hose instead of several feet. Assuming you can close the seacock, take the fitting off the boat and put it on the bench to get that few inches of hose off the fitting. CAREFULLY, with a serrated knife or an electric cutting tool if you have one, cut the hose lengthwise almost all the way through...be especially careful when you're almost through it that you don't score the fitting. Then just pry it apart. If you're 100% certain you can do it on both sides without cutting into the fitting, do it...even cut it in 1/4s. If it's really stuck on the fitting and doesn't want to pry off, use some machine oil...or even WD-40. Let it sit for a while. You'll get it off it you're patient...then clean up the fitting. It's not a "blood, sweat and swear" job...it just takes patience and a lot of care. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
CAREFULLY, with a serrated knife or an electric cutting tool if you have
one, cut the hose lengthwise almost all the way through...be especially careful when you're almost through it that you don't score the fitting. Then just pry it apart. If you're 100% certain you can do it on both sides without cutting into the fitting, do it...even cut it in 1/4s. If it's really stuck on the fitting and doesn't want to pry off, use some machine oil...or even WD-40. Let it sit for a while. You'll get it off it you're patient...then clean up the fitting. It's not a "blood, sweat and swear" job...it just takes patience and a lot of care. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html Aack! I should have read this thread before giving Lloyd almost identical advice in his other inquiry. :-) |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:09:42 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:
Maybe Clams was right after all! Make you a deal: I'll read your book if you "read" my posts... Lloyd |
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How do I get a hose on a fitting?
I used a heat gun and spray silicone to get my sanitation hoses on the
fittings. It was tough, but worked. -- Keith __ Cat, n.: Lap warmer with built-in buzzer. "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:20 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote: The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc 1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed. Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the barbs on those are 1.5". Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2" adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with 1 1/2" diesel filler hose. Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same. PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry. I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc 1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes, nominal and actual are the same. I measured both fittings: the plastic (donno if it's pvc or nylon) is just a hair over 1.5". Some hot water and soapy got it on fine. The other one is also a hair over 1.5, and yes, the two fittings on the suction break are about 1/32" different. Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris. Must be bronze - I bought it a a marine store (at typical marine price!) and they knew it was for a holding tank. Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose. Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension cords. Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot! Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Any way I can cut it off without damaging the fitting? Lloyd |
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