Hi,

Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).

I remember the problem: I replaced the old head (Cheap Wilcox?) with
a cheap manual Jabsco (I know, but it seems to work fine, and I like being
able to flush without a battery), but the 45 deg outlet wouldn't work with
my plumbing. I used the outlet off the old head, which fit the head fine,
but doesn't seem to fit the hose.

Any ideas? can I get a 90-deg outlet for the Jabsco? Some kind of
adapter? Peggy? (got your book - Good Stuff!)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - with the biggest holding tank!

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:49 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:
Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).
=================================================
The quick and dirty solution if all else fails is to build up the
output fitting with something like duct tape untill you get a snug
fit. Be sure and use double hose clamps.

"Wayne.B" wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:49 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:
Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).
=================================================
The quick and dirty solution if all else fails is to build up the
output fitting with something like duct tape untill you get a snug
fit. Be sure and use double hose clamps.

The usual way is to put an inch or so of the correct 1 3/8" hose on the
fitting then put the 1 1/2" hose over that, clamp as usual.

Just for form & I accept you will never ever be interested Lloyd
but............. get rid of the toilet pump completely (just screw a
stainless or even placky plate over where it bolts to the base & take the
waste out the other end which has a standard screw pipe fitting plug in it),
it's just about the worst design possible & unhealthy to boot (that small
amount of water that come out each time you push down?? it's polluted by the
leakage past the piston, wash your hands properly "every" time!!!!!!)

Use a small cheap 1 " bilge pump for the inlet, you can really get some
water flowing for a good flush.

Use a separate bigger 1 1/2 inch bilge pump for the outlet.

Put both on the wall so they're easy to operate & clean.

It will never smell, will last years & years & in the highly unlikely
event someone does manage to block it??? most bilge pumps have an "O" ringed
screw on face that makes the cleanup much more manageable into a bucket, if
still not exactly pleasant:-)

The toilet spruikers go on & on about buying their ripoff priced
"special" hoses etc etc etc but seem to be in denial that most marine heads
have no more than an "O" ring piston running in a placky bore between the
waste side & the water inlet side & from there to the boat's cabin, which is
where the real smell emanates. Even the cheapest hoses will last years if
you use plenty of water to flush; which with the bilge pump system you will
easily.

Regards,

K

The usual way is to put an inch or so of the correct 1 3/8" hose on the
fitting then put the 1 1/2" hose over that, clamp as usual.

Wouldn't it be simpler--and a more reliable fix--to just replace the
fitting with one that's the correct size?


Just for form & I accept you will never ever be interested Lloyd
but............. get rid of the toilet pump completely (just screw a
stainless or even placky plate over where it bolts to the base & take the
waste out the other end which has a standard screw pipe fitting plug in it),
it's just about the worst design possible & unhealthy to boot (that small
amount of water that come out each time you push down?? it's polluted by the
leakage past the piston, wash your hands properly "every" time!!!!!!)

Use a small cheap 1 " bilge pump for the inlet, you can really get some
water flowing for a good flush.

Use a separate bigger 1 1/2 inch bilge pump for the outlet.

Again...wouldn't it be simpler to buy a decent quality toilet that won't
leak and flush it enough to rinse the waste out of the hoses? A cheap
bilge pump isn't likely to be much more durable or reliable than a cheap
toilet and is no more fun to clean out.

How do you propose avoiding any engine maintenance? Replace it with oars?

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html







Put both on the wall so they're easy to operate & clean.

It will never smell, will last years & years & in the highly unlikely
event someone does manage to block it??? most bilge pumps have an "O" ringed
screw on face that makes the cleanup much more manageable into a bucket, if
still not exactly pleasant:-)

The toilet spruikers go on & on about buying their ripoff priced
"special" hoses etc etc etc but seem to be in denial that most marine heads
have no more than an "O" ring piston running in a placky bore between the
waste side & the water inlet side & from there to the boat's cabin, which is
where the real smell emanates. Even the cheapest hoses will last years if
you use plenty of water to flush; which with the bilge pump system you will
easily.

Regards,

K

Ouch!

Peggie Hall wrote in message
...
snip..

Wouldn't it be simpler--and a more reliable fix--to just replace the
fitting with one that's the correct size?



How do you propose avoiding any engine maintenance? Replace it with oars?


Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html







Put both on the wall so they're easy to operate & clean.

It will never smell, will last years & years & in the highly
unlikely
event someone does manage to block it??? most bilge pumps have an "O"
ringed
screw on face that makes the cleanup much more manageable into a bucket,
if
still not exactly pleasant:-)

The toilet spruikers go on & on about buying their ripoff priced
"special" hoses etc etc etc but seem to be in denial that most marine
heads
have no more than an "O" ring piston running in a placky bore between
the
waste side & the water inlet side & from there to the boat's cabin,
which is
where the real smell emanates. Even the cheapest hoses will last years
if
you use plenty of water to flush; which with the bilge pump system you
will
easily.

Regards,

K

Some opportunities are just irresistable!

Don White wrote:
Ouch!

Peggie Hall wrote in message
...
snip..


Wouldn't it be simpler--and a more reliable fix--to just replace the
fitting with one that's the correct size?



How do you propose avoiding any engine maintenance? Replace it with oars?



Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html








Put both on the wall so they're easy to operate & clean.

It will never smell, will last years & years & in the highly

unlikely

event someone does manage to block it??? most bilge pumps have an "O"

ringed

screw on face that makes the cleanup much more manageable into a bucket,

if

still not exactly pleasant:-)

The toilet spruikers go on & on about buying their ripoff priced
"special" hoses etc etc etc but seem to be in denial that most marine

heads

have no more than an "O" ring piston running in a placky bore between

the

waste side & the water inlet side & from there to the boat's cabin,

which is

where the real smell emanates. Even the cheapest hoses will last years

if

you use plenty of water to flush; which with the bilge pump system you

will

easily.

Regards,

K

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:59:01 +0000, Wayne. wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:49 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:
Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).
=================================================
The quick and dirty solution if all else fails is to build up the
output fitting with something like duct tape untill you get a snug
fit. Be sure and use double hose clamps.

Yeah, I thought of that... but my experience is that it's never a good,
watertight fit, at least not for long.

It's frustrating that I may have to replace a perfectly good $200 head
because of a $10 fitting!

Lloyd

Subject: Jabsco Head - help!
From: "Lloyd Sumpter"

Hi,

Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).

I remember the problem: I replaced the old head (Cheap Wilcox?) with
a cheap manual Jabsco (I know, but it seems to work fine, and I like being
able to flush without a battery), but the 45 deg outlet wouldn't work with
my plumbing. I used the outlet off the old head, which fit the head fine,
but doesn't seem to fit the hose.

Any ideas? can I get a 90-deg outlet for the Jabsco? Some kind of
adapter? Peggy? (got your book - Good Stuff!)

Never seen 1 3/8 head hose. But if you are using the white type of head hose,
just heat it up with a heat gun and clamp it while it is still hot and pliable.

Capt. Bill

Lloyd, all you have to do to solve the problem is call Jabsco and tell
'em you need a 1.5" straight or 90 discharge fitting for your new toilet.


Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Hi,

Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).

I remember the problem: I replaced the old head (Cheap Wilcox?) with
a cheap manual Jabsco (I know, but it seems to work fine, and I like being
able to flush without a battery), but the 45 deg outlet wouldn't work with
my plumbing. I used the outlet off the old head, which fit the head fine,
but doesn't seem to fit the hose.

Any ideas? can I get a 90-deg outlet for the Jabsco? Some kind of
adapter? Peggy? (got your book - Good Stuff!)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - with the biggest holding tank!

Thanks for the input, Peggy!

(First, it's not "new" - it's about 5 yrs old, but still works perfectly)

Didn't call them, but went to the website. The only fitting they show may
or may not be 90 deg. Looks like it's designed to go UP rather than to the
right, and since the pump slants forward, "UP" is more than 90 deg from the
face (hope you understand this explanation!)

I've ordered the fitting, which at least SHOULD fit the hose, but I have
very little room behind the head, and I've already cut the $13/ft hose,
assuming the fitting was correct and the reason it leaked before was that
the old hose had stretched.

As for getting some "1 3/8" hose": I only said 1 3/8 because it's a bit
smaller than 1 1/2 - I'm not sure they even MAKE 1 3/8" hose. (But what
the hell DOES it fit??)

If the fitting I ordered doesn't work, how about "enlarging" the fitting
with a few coats of epoxy?

Lloyd

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:18:40 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Lloyd, all you have to do to solve the problem is call Jabsco and tell
'em you need a 1.5" straight or 90 discharge fitting for your new toilet.


Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Hi,

Just getting my new holding tank in, and have discovered that the
reason the discharge hose was leaking at the head was that the outlet
fitting is too small. The hose fits over it easily instead of barely
squeezing on - seems like it's for maybe 1 3/8" ID hose or something (my
hose is 1 1/2" ID).

I remember the problem: I replaced the old head (Cheap Wilcox?) with
a cheap manual Jabsco (I know, but it seems to work fine, and I like being
able to flush without a battery), but the 45 deg outlet wouldn't work with
my plumbing. I used the outlet off the old head, which fit the head fine,
but doesn't seem to fit the hose.

Any ideas? can I get a 90-deg outlet for the Jabsco? Some kind of
adapter? Peggy? (got your book - Good Stuff!)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - with the biggest holding tank!