The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc
1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5"
barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed.

Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the
barbs on those are 1.5". Warm the hose--don't overheat it!--and put a
little dish soap on the inside of it and on the fitting. You should be
able to get it the hose onto it. I can.

Try heating any hose that has to come OFF a fitting or a thru-hull.

I thought you said you'd bought my book...you might consider reading it
...'cuz all of the above is in it.

Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html



Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Hi,

I'm just back from my boat, exhausted from trying to get the Fancy
$13/ft sewage hose onto a fitting. I just can't get it on: I've tried
spit, bacon grease, twisted and pushed until my hands are red and swollen,
and I can't get it on.

Any hints?

Also, there's an old hose that's been on for at least 15 years that
needs to come off the head thru-hull. It's actually diesel intake hose, 1
1/2". I can barely get at it. Again, any hints on how to get it off?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36



--

LLoyd....
I can vouch for this method. Hot water, then liquid soap.

JG
"

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc
1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5"
barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed.

Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the
barbs on those are 1.5".

Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2"
adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on
it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with
1 1/2" diesel filler hose.

Warm the hose--don't overheat it!--and put a
little dish soap on the inside of it and on the fitting. You should be
able to get it the hose onto it. I can.


Thanks - I'll try it! If I can't, can you make a house-call to Vancouver,
Canada?

Try heating any hose that has to come OFF a fitting or a thru-hull.


Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose. Certainly can't get hot
water. At this point, I'm thinking angle-grinder (although I don't think
that would fit either...maybe a small explosive??)

I thought you said you'd bought my book...you might consider reading it
...'cuz all of the above is in it.


I'll do that!

Lloyd

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:


The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc
1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5"
barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed.


Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the
barbs on those are 1.5".


Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2"
adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on
it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with
1 1/2" diesel filler hose.

Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what
it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same.

PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're
the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry.
I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc
1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're
all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes,
nominal and actual are the same.

What's more, plumbing fittings--PVC, bronze, or anything else--aren't
made to aerospace tolerances...wall thicknesses of two "identical"
fittings can vary by as much as 50%, which can affect the ID, OD or
both. And OdorSafe hose is so stiff that even a 1/16th an inch can make
it very hard to get onto one.

However, nylon and marelon fittings are made specifically for the marine
industry...and nominal 1.5 x 1.5 fittings are ACTUAL 1.5 x 1.5.

Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS
brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and
brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris.

Warm the hose--don't overheat it!--and put a
little dish soap on the inside of it and on the fitting. You should be
able to get it the hose onto it. I can.

Thanks - I'll try it! If I can't, can you make a house-call to Vancouver,
Canada?

Sure, if you'll pay my travel expenses!

Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose.

Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer
close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension
cords.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:20 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:


The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc
1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5"
barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed.


Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the
barbs on those are 1.5".


Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1 1/2"
adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on
it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with
1 1/2" diesel filler hose.

Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what
it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same.

PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're
the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry.
I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc
1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're
all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes,
nominal and actual are the same.


I measured both fittings: the plastic (donno if it's pvc or nylon) is just
a hair over 1.5". Some hot water and soapy got it on fine. The other one
is also a hair over 1.5, and yes, the two fittings on the suction break
are about 1/32" different.


Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS
brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and
brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris.


Must be bronze - I bought it a a marine store (at typical marine price!)
and they knew it was for a holding tank.


Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose.

Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer
close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension
cords.

Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I
felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full
of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the
bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot!

Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's
slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Any way I
can cut it off without damaging the fitting?

Lloyd

Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I
felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full
of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the
bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot!

Why would it be full of water before you ever use it???? Unless you
tried putting hot water in it??? You don't heat hose from the inside,
Lloyd...you warm it from the outside. You just stick the end into a pot
of boiling water--which can be a little hard to do in some locations--or
you just turn a blow dryer on it (from a distance that isn't likely to
burn it)...and let it run for a few minutes. Because you don't want to
risk damaging the hose, you do need some patience.


Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's
slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)?

Noooo! If you do that, the hose will never seal.

Any way I
can cut it off without damaging the fitting?

Same way you should have put it on: warm it with a blow dryer. It
should soften up enough to come off.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

He has 2 hoses. One to put on and one to remove and discard. 2 different
applications I think. You guys are beginning to speak different dialects of
English.

-W

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as
I
felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's
full
of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the
bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot!

Why would it be full of water before you ever use it???? Unless you
tried putting hot water in it??? You don't heat hose from the inside,
Lloyd...you warm it from the outside. You just stick the end into a pot
of boiling water--which can be a little hard to do in some locations--or
you just turn a blow dryer on it (from a distance that isn't likely to
burn it)...and let it run for a few minutes. Because you don't want to
risk damaging the hose, you do need some patience.


Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's
slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)?

Noooo! If you do that, the hose will never seal.

Any way I
can cut it off without damaging the fitting?

Same way you should have put it on: warm it with a blow dryer. It
should soften up enough to come off.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:01:56 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I
felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full
of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the
bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot!

Why would it be full of water before you ever use it????

Sorry, I'm not making myself clear. I have two problems: getting a hose
ON, and getting a hose OFF. Your advice solved the first problem, I'm now
working on the second.

This hose hasn't been taken off in at least 15 years, and is diesel-filler
hose (red, maybe rubber?). It's full of water because it's the hose going
from the suction-break (4ft above the hull) to the thru-hull (basically at
the hull), and either it or the thruhull is clogged (and the boat is in
the water and the thruhull is below the waterline, so how do you drain
it?)

So it's full of water. AND I'll never use this hose again, I just have to
get it off so I can clear the clog and replace the hose with proper sewage
hose. I don't care if I ruin the hose, as long as I can re-use the
fitting.

Lloyd

Maybe Clams was right after all!

This hose hasn't been taken off in at least 15 years, and is diesel-filler
hose (red, maybe rubber?). It's full of water because it's the hose going
from the suction-break (4ft above the hull) to the thru-hull (basically at
the hull), and either it or the thruhull is clogged (and the boat is in
the water and the thruhull is below the waterline, so how do you drain
it?)

So it's full of water. AND I'll never use this hose again, I just have to
get it off so I can clear the clog and replace the hose with proper sewage
hose. I don't care if I ruin the hose, as long as I can re-use the
fitting.

Aha! HOkay... In that case, yes...you can drill a hole in the hose to
drain the water out of it. Otoh, you could cut the hose behind the
fitting. The water drains out, and now you're only working with a 4-6"
length of hose instead of several feet. Assuming you can close the
seacock, take the fitting off the boat and put it on the bench to get
that few inches of hose off the fitting.

CAREFULLY, with a serrated knife or an electric cutting tool if you have
one, cut the hose lengthwise almost all the way through...be especially
careful when you're almost through it that you don't score the fitting.
Then just pry it apart. If you're 100% certain you can do it on both
sides without cutting into the fitting, do it...even cut it in 1/4s. If
it's really stuck on the fitting and doesn't want to pry off, use some
machine oil...or even WD-40. Let it sit for a while. You'll get it off
it you're patient...then clean up the fitting.

It's not a "blood, sweat and swear" job...it just takes patience and a
lot of care.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

I used a heat gun and spray silicone to get my sanitation hoses on the
fittings. It was tough, but worked.

--


Keith
__
Cat, n.: Lap warmer with built-in buzzer.
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:20 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:18:07 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:


The problem is the fitting, Lloyd...you'll never get it onto a gray pvc
1.5" hose without damaging the hose 'cuz nominal 1.5" thread x 1.5"
barbed is actual 1.5" thread x 1 5/8" barbed.


Stop by your local boat store and pick up a nylon 1.5" fitting...the
barbs on those are 1.5".


Not sure what you mean here. The one fitting is the plastic 1" - 1
1/2"
adapter that I bought at a marine store (and it says "1 1/2" right on
it!). The other is the existing brass suction-break that was used with
1 1/2" diesel filler hose.

Never mind what it says...measure the OD. You'll find that nominal (what
it's supposed to be) and actual (what it is) aren't always the same.

PVC plumbing fittings aren't made just for the marine industry...they're
the same PVC fittings that are used throughout the plumbing industry.
I've never found anyone who knows the reason for it, but ALL gray pvc
1.5" thread x 1.5" barbed fittings are actual 1 5/8" barbed. But they're
all marked 1.5 x 1.5. This is only true of 1.5"...for all other sizes,
nominal and actual are the same.


I measured both fittings: the plastic (donno if it's pvc or nylon) is just
a hair over 1.5". Some hot water and soapy got it on fine. The other one
is also a hair over 1.5, and yes, the two fittings on the suction break
are about 1/32" different.


Btw...you said brass...most marine fittings are bronze. If it really IS
brass, I wouldn't use it in a sanitation hose...urine is corrosive and
brass is likely to get clogged up with vertigris.


Must be bronze - I bought it a a marine store (at typical marine price!)
and they knew it was for a holding tank.


Not sure I can get a hairdrier at this hose.

Lloyd, if you can get at it to work on it, you can get a blow dryer
close enough to it to warm it a bit. That's why they make extension
cords.

Well, I CAN'T really get at it to work on it: only about 1/4 of it. I
tried heating it with a steam-cleaner (Now it's Really Clean...), and as I
felt it getting cold again almost immediately, I realized (duh!) it's full
of water, which is at least thermally connected to the ocean through the
bronze thruhull! No way I'm getting this baby hot!

Should I drill a hole in the hose and let most of the water out (it's
slanted down, so water in the fitting will still be there...)? Any way I
can cut it off without damaging the fitting?

Lloyd