wf3h wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.


It has been many years since Harry has spent any time at all on the water.

Tim wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.
The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

if they board your vessel under the rules of engagement you better do
pretty much what they say.
The CG is a law enforcement agency.

The USCG follows under the Dept. of the Treasury, doesn't it?


They were moved to the Dept. of Homeland Security a couple of years ago.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:34:43 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

wf3h wrote:
JohnH wrote:
This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

the aux doesn't have authority to board a vessel. even the CG can't
board a vessel unless there is a 'boarding officer'...someone trained
in the use of force...aboard the CG vessel. of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.
The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

Yes they do.

I didn't know that the CG had the honor and privilege of serving under
the UCMJ.

On 21 Jan 2007 17:33:12 -0800, "wf3h" wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.


Harry is our resident name-caller. Please don't take his negative comments
seriously. They most definitely don't represent the views of the majority
here.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:49:48 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

Typically, I see a pack of them out on boats on nice sunny days,
cruising around, club-like. In fact, I suspect that's mostly what they
do: engage in club-like activities. Nothing wrong with that. There's
always a certain element who is attracted by quasi-military trappings.

Does that include cap'n hats?
I've never had dealings with them because.....I don't have a boat.
But I'm not so cynical, and figure I'll be talking to them when I get
my CS, at minimum to take the safety course.
But who knows, I might just join up myself - if I can carry a piece.

--Vic

Typically, Harry hasn't seen any of them, because typically Harry doesn't
go out on the water. Around here, Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay, the
USCGA has a good reputation. Harry has a hard time with any group or
individual enjoying same, mainly 'cause he doesn't!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Bert Robbins wrote:

I didn't know that the CG had the honor and privilege of serving under
the UCMJ.

Just an fyi, the Coast Guard was the first combat military unit to serve
in Viet Nam. Their boats were best suited to the shallow rivers and the
Delta.

--
Stan

wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:22:02 GMT, "Stan (the Man)"
wrote:

Just an fyi, the Coast Guard was the first combat military unit to serve
in Viet Nam. Their boats were best suited to the shallow rivers and the
Delta.

They were also the first guys in the original "Desert Shield"
operation. Again, they had the right boats and skills to get in close.

And, the advantage that if their boat sinks, they can walk to shore.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

--
Stan (former USN)

JohnH wrote:
Harry is our resident name-caller. Please don't take his negative comments
seriously. They most definitely don't represent the views of the majority
here.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



No, John. I wouldn't say that Harry is the resident name-caller.

That one who I think should hold that title, hasn't posted here today.

No good deed goes unpunished, as they say.

A volunteer giving of his own time offers to perform a useful service for
free. No matter who we are it's often useful to have another set of eyes
looking at the safety aspects of our boats.

The inspectors work off a check list which includes looking at the vessels
documents.

Some of the guys doing these courtesy, repeat, courtesy inspections are no
longer youngsters and may lack the kind of flexibility that can be useful
when dealing with the public. Still, they do their best which is pretty
good almost all the time.

I'll probably do one this year as it's been a while for my boat.

I personally believe the USCGAux folks are the bee's knees,

Butch
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
news
On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you.
I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration
numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the
extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a
dickhead.


This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never
been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

Maybe your experience was a San Francisco thing?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Harry Krause wrote:
Methinks John and his clique are upset because they are stashed in my
bozo bin with one can of Right Guard.

Aww, Harry. I'm friends with John. Now, I don't know about being in a
"clique", but we get along ok.

Rigth Guard isn't bad. you could be locked up with nothing but a bottle
of "Old Spice"