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Dan wrote:
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258Vista wrote:

Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC
units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious
if
anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use.
The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone
has
used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html

I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck
cold
out, might as well use a cardboard box.

You're not really that dumb, are you?

What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to
insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to
insulate it?

This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air
across ice.

If you think different, show me the science.

The science is basic- heat always moves to cold.
The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is
resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more
efficiently-
in the heat exchanger.

Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are
blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed
to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference
would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it.
Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a
cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the
same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the
temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same.

You really are that dumb.

\Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are
pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right
into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it.
Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you
are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to
insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for
instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take
the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the
other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is
exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air
into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are
trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed!

"isopolycyanurate"? Let me help you with that big word...

Polyisocyanurate. It's sold at your local Home Depot under a variety of
brand names. IIRC, the R-value is 7.2 per inch - one of the best for
home sheathing.

--
Uh, it's not a word, it's a combination of abbreviations, thus doesn't
make a hoot which order. I've seen many, many documents with the
abbreviations in both orders.
But, hey, you've followed me to another thread!!!!

Infatuation.......
Infatuation......
It's driving Dan crazy....
It's making Dan CRAAAZZZYYY....

Mike wrote:

Sam, this guy is a serious joke. He argues for the sake of an argument. He's
a moron... don't waste your energy.

--Mike

Does mommy know you're on her computer calling people childish and
petty names?

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Dan wrote:
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258Vista wrote:

Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable
AC
units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious
if
anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they
use.
The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if
anyone
has
used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html

I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck
cold
out, might as well use a cardboard box.

You're not really that dumb, are you?

What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to
insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to
insulate it?

This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not
air
across ice.

If you think different, show me the science.

The science is basic- heat always moves to cold.
The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it
is
resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more
efficiently-
in the heat exchanger.

Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are
blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be
exposed
to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference
would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it.
Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a
cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the
same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the
temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same.

You really are that dumb.

\Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are
pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right
into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it.
Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you
are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to
insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for
instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take
the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the
other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is
exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air
into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are
trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed!

"isopolycyanurate"? Let me help you with that big word...

Polyisocyanurate. It's sold at your local Home Depot under a variety of
brand names. IIRC, the R-value is 7.2 per inch - one of the best for
home sheathing.

--
Uh, it's not a word, it's a combination of abbreviations, thus doesn't
make a hoot which order. I've seen many, many documents with the
abbreviations in both orders.
But, hey, you've followed me to another thread!!!!

If you check, you'll find cyanurate is a "real word".

If not a word, what is the correct grammatical term for polyisocyanurate
besides a collection of abbreviations?

Come on now, were waiting for a cite.

If you've read many, many documents with the "abbreviations" in both orders
how come at least one does not come up with a Google search of
"isopolycyanurate"? Google doesn't even offer an alternate spelling and I
believe Google is much more intelligent than you are.

Some folks here were giving you credit for being 12 years old. I believe
that is very generous.

Harry Krause wrote:

Why would anyone trust someone like you, who posts here with 50
different identities?

Why would anyone care about your opinion?

Wonder if 'our Smithers' is similar to Waylon Smithers?
http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/home.htm

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Sam wrote:
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Sam wrote:
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Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless
you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time-

" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any
noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes
warmer
than the ambient air.
I'll be waiting.

Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT?
Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've
stated.

At least the first law- energy cannot be created or destroyed.

How? It's transferred, not created. That is why they call it HEAT
EXCHANGE.

You stated that the water in the heat exchanger will become warmer than
ambient.
If this were true the heat exchanger would be working in excess of 100%
efficiency, thus creating energy.

Uh, no it wouldn't. It would simply be EXCHANGING HEAT.
You keep forgetting that heat is nothing more than energy, and can be
stored.

Remember- "Heat cannot of itself pass from a colder to a hotter body."

So where is this additional energy coming from?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:28:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/11/2006 11:26 AM, Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Why would anyone trust someone like you, who posts here with 50
different identities?

Why would anyone care about your opinion?

Wonder if 'our Smithers' is similar to Waylon Smithers?
http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/home.htm

Twin brothers, though I believe Waylon is his real name, and he has a boat.

But Bert *did* make a good point earlier. Did you notice?
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:28:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/11/2006 11:26 AM, Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Why would anyone trust someone like you, who posts here with 50
different identities?

Why would anyone care about your opinion?

Wonder if 'our Smithers' is similar to Waylon Smithers?
http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/home.htm
Twin brothers, though I believe Waylon is his real name, and he has a boat.

But Bert *did* make a good point earlier. Did you notice?
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John
It is better if you just let Harry and Don play their games without
comment.

For some reason I am thinking of a little boy who lived next door, he
would cause trouble just to get attention, it didn't matter if it made
him look foolish, just so long as people paid attention to him.

I found if I ignore the little boy, he would not disrupt the adults as
much as when we said something to him.

Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless
you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time-

" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any
noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes
warmer
than the ambient air.
I'll be waiting.

Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT?
Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've
stated.

At least the first law- energy cannot be created or destroyed.

How? It's transferred, not created. That is why they call it HEAT
EXCHANGE.

You stated that the water in the heat exchanger will become warmer than
ambient.
If this were true the heat exchanger would be working in excess of 100%
efficiency, thus creating energy.

Uh, no it wouldn't. It would simply be EXCHANGING HEAT.
You keep forgetting that heat is nothing more than energy, and can be
stored.

Remember- "Heat cannot of itself pass from a colder to a hotter body."

So where is this additional energy coming from?

It's coming from a hotter body to a colder body.......
So, you just DON'T get it at all do you? You keep forgetting about this
little piece of equipment in the way, the HEAT EXCHANGER.

basskisser wrote:
Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Sam wrote:

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Sam wrote:

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Sam wrote:

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258Vista wrote:

Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC
units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious
if
anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use.
The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone
has
used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html

I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck
cold
out, might as well use a cardboard box.

You're not really that dumb, are you?

What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to
insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to
insulate it?

This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air
across ice.

If you think different, show me the science.

The science is basic- heat always moves to cold.
The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is
resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more
efficiently-
in the heat exchanger.

Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are
blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed
to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference
would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it.
Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a
cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the
same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the
temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same.

You really are that dumb.

\Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are
pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right
into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it.
Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you
are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to
insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for
instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take
the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the
other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is
exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air
into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are
trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed!

"isopolycyanurate"? Let me help you with that big word...

Polyisocyanurate. It's sold at your local Home Depot under a variety of
brand names. IIRC, the R-value is 7.2 per inch - one of the best for
home sheathing.

--

Uh, it's not a word, it's a combination of abbreviations, thus doesn't
make a hoot which order.

Keep telling yourself that.

I've seen many, many documents with the
abbreviations in both orders.

They were wrong, too.

But, hey, you've followed me to another thread!!!!

Infatuation.......
Infatuation......
It's driving Dan crazy....
It's making Dan CRAAAZZZYYY....

I follow you to EVERY thread, remember? Got to keep your stories
straight, boy.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:28:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/11/2006 11:26 AM, Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Why would anyone trust someone like you, who posts here with 50
different identities?

Why would anyone care about your opinion?

Wonder if 'our Smithers' is similar to Waylon Smithers?
http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/home.htm

Twin brothers, though I believe Waylon is his real name, and he has a
boat.

But Bert *did* make a good point earlier. Did you notice?
--
******************************************
***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John

It is better if you just let Harry and Don play their games without
comment.

For some reason I am thinking of a little boy who lived next door, he
would cause trouble just to get attention, it didn't matter if it made
him look foolish, just so long as people paid attention to him.

I found if I ignore the little boy, he would not disrupt the adults as
much as when we said something to him.

He was narcissistic.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com