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Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC
units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html |
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258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. |
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On 7 Dec 2006 07:36:47 -0800, "258Vista" wrote:
Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html How are you gonna get 20lbs of ice per hour on a boat? You'll have to stay at the marina, where you might as well plug in a regular air conditioner. Steve |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? If you think different, show me the science. |
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basskisser wrote: Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? If you think different, show me the science. I don't think the insulated cooler is as necessary as something that will hold the water after the ice melts. This is besides the fact I'm just wondering if this thing works well and if it really requires that much ice. 20 lbs an hour is not really an option when you are on a boat, but if 20lbs would cool the cabin for a night that would be cool. |
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258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I like the testimonials: Mitchell Oates of Mooresville, NC. (President, Charlotte Chapter of the Electric Auto Association e-mailed: "Last summer, on days when temperatures were in the 80's, having the Icester on medium and blowing out into the cab kept the cab comfortable on the way to work. Running on high this same way actually made it very cool in the cab and I would have to direct air flow away from me as it would start to get uncomfortably cool on exposed skin. On days when temperatures were in the 90's, I would turn the Icester so that it was blowing directly on me.While the cab itself was on the muggy side, having the air blow directly on me kept me comfortable. Two bags of ice from a local store fill the ice chest to capacity, and even on high on the hottest days, on arrival at work, more than half the ice was still left. Why didn't the "President" of the Auto Electric Association, jsut get his auto air conditioner fixed? |
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258Vista wrote: basskisser wrote: Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? If you think different, show me the science. I don't think the insulated cooler is as necessary as something that will hold the water after the ice melts. This is besides the fact I'm just wondering if this thing works well and if it really requires that much ice. 20 lbs an hour is not really an option when you are on a boat, but if 20lbs would cool the cabin for a night that would be cool. Waterproof cardboard. I'm sure it uses that much ice. Just think you have to exchange thermal energy. So, you have to put a lot of heat into the thing to get cool air out. That is exactly why an insulated cooler is useless. You are blowing hot air directly into the thing, and it is immediately expelled out as cool air. The replier that said I was stupid must fail to understand this. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Does anybody besides me: 1 - think this is a little obvious? 2 - Is reminded of the classic cartoon air conditions - a block of ice and a rotating fan? :) Putting a fan in an open refrigerator door and sitting in front of it.. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 7 Dec 2006 07:36:47 -0800, "258Vista" wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html Does anybody besides me: 1 - think this is a little obvious? 2 - Is reminded of the classic cartoon air conditions - a block of ice and a rotating fan? :) Yes! |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 7 Dec 2006 07:36:47 -0800, "258Vista" wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html Does anybody besides me: 1 - think this is a little obvious? 2 - Is reminded of the classic cartoon air conditions - a block of ice and a rotating fan? :) Yes! |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 7 Dec 2006 07:36:47 -0800, "258Vista" wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html Does anybody besides me: 1 - think this is a little obvious? 2 - Is reminded of the classic cartoon air conditions - a block of ice and a rotating fan? :) Yes! |
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basskisser wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 7 Dec 2006 07:36:47 -0800, "258Vista" wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html Does anybody besides me: 1 - think this is a little obvious? 2 - Is reminded of the classic cartoon air conditions - a block of ice and a rotating fan? :) Yes! That's what I was thinking...and how humid that would be in a boat cabin. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. You really are that dumb. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. You really are that dumb. \Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it. Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed! |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. You really are that dumb. \Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it. Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed! Lets make this easier for you. I'll just repost 1 sentence. Try and comprehend it then get back to me. "This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice." |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. You really are that dumb. \Well, damn! Tell me HOW in the hell insulation would help if you are pumping the exact same are that you are trying to insulate FROM right into the cooler!!??? Again, see my last two sentences above. Try it. Everything exactly the same except for the container. And again, if you are pumping the same exact air into the chest that you are trying to insulate from, just what IS the insulation doing? Take this for instance. Take a piece of isopolycyanurate insulation outdoors. Take the temperature on one side of the piece. Take the temperature on the other side of the piece. Huh? They are the same? Imagine THAT! That is exactly the scenario you'll see with the ice chest. You are pumping air into it that is exactly the same temperature as that that you are trying to insulate against. Dumb indeed! Lets make this easier for you. I'll just repost 1 sentence. Try and comprehend it then get back to me. "This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice." And it will work the same exact way whether it's water, air whatever. What you are failing to understand is that once water (or air, or whatever) goes through the heat exchanger, it's what? HOT. So, you force water (or air or whatever) through an ice chest. How does the ice chest help? In order for this thing to work, then the water would be at a higher temperature going back into the thing than the ambient air temperature. Ergo, again, the ice chest is useless except for a holding vessel. |
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You really are that dumb.
Wow... he really is. --Mike "Sam" wrote in message news:DWzeh.628$Ft4.14@trnddc02... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... 258Vista wrote: Does anyone have any experience using one of these 12V portable AC units on a boat. They look like a good option, but I was curious if anyone had any feedback on how they cool and how much ice they use. The website says 20lbs an hour which is a lot, wondering if anyone has used this before. http://www.swampy.net/ac12.html I'm wondering why the ice chest? Just to pump hot air in and suck cold out, might as well use a cardboard box. You're not really that dumb, are you? What difference would it make? The function of an ice chest is to insulate. If you are pumping hot air into it, why would you need to insulate it? This unit works by pumping cold *water* through a heat exchanger, not air across ice. If you think different, show me the science. The science is basic- heat always moves to cold. The cooler is insulating the ice from absorbing heat from whatever it is resting on, thus saving the ice for where it can be used more efficiently- in the heat exchanger. Horse****!!! The science is cold is simply lack of heat. You are blowing the same exact air across the ice that the ice would be exposed to. If you are pumping 90 degree air into that cooler, what difference would it make whether or not the container was insulated??? Try it. Take a given amount of ice and put in a ice chest. Place another in a cardboard box. Blow the same exact amount of air into each, with the same exact equipment, and the same exact exhaust. Measure the temperature of the exhaust. Guess what? They'll be the same. You really are that dumb. |
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Mike wrote: You really are that dumb. Wow... he really is. Prove me wrong, then! You do realize that you are flowing hot water back into the system, don't you? You do realize that for that water to have a cooling affect on the air, that the air has transferred heat to that water, don't you? So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warming than the ambient air temperature, don't you? |
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That's what I was thinking...and how humid that would be in a boat cabin. That too, real AC does a lot more than just cool, it removes humidity. That's responsible for as much comfort as the cool air is. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Mike wrote: You really are that dumb. Wow... he really is. Prove me wrong, then! You do realize that you are flowing hot water back into the system, don't you? You do realize that for that water to have a cooling affect on the air, that the air has transferred heat to that water, don't you? And you do realize the water returns to the "box" where the heat is extracted by the ice as it circulates, right? Now if you can grasp that, which "box" will be more efficient at this heat transfer- The cooler, or the cardboard box? So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warming than the ambient air temperature, don't you? LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. |
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LOL!
The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. Just killfile him like I did. He's really not the effort, and the noise ratio goes way down. :- --Mike "Sam" wrote in message news:tYGeh.1013$LL4.149@trnddc04... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Mike wrote: You really are that dumb. Wow... he really is. Prove me wrong, then! You do realize that you are flowing hot water back into the system, don't you? You do realize that for that water to have a cooling affect on the air, that the air has transferred heat to that water, don't you? And you do realize the water returns to the "box" where the heat is extracted by the ice as it circulates, right? Now if you can grasp that, which "box" will be more efficient at this heat transfer- The cooler, or the cardboard box? So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warming than the ambient air temperature, don't you? LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Mike wrote: You really are that dumb. Wow... he really is. Prove me wrong, then! You do realize that you are flowing hot water back into the system, don't you? You do realize that for that water to have a cooling affect on the air, that the air has transferred heat to that water, don't you? And you do realize the water returns to the "box" where the heat is extracted by the ice as it circulates, right? Now if you can grasp that, which "box" will be more efficient at this heat transfer- The cooler, or the cardboard box? So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warming than the ambient air temperature, don't you? LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. |
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Mike wrote: LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. Just killfile him like I did. He's really not the effort, and the noise ratio goes way down. :- Awe.....don't cry and whine..... |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Of course I do, I never said it didn't. Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here ya go- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Of course I do, I never said it didn't. Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here ya go- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks! |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Of course I do, I never said it didn't. Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here ya go- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks! Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here it is again in case you missed it the first time- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes warmer than the ambient air. I'll be waiting. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here it is again in case you missed it the first time- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes warmer than the ambient air. I'll be waiting. Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT? Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've stated. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Of course I do, I never said it didn't. Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here ya go- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks! Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. Again, thanks for agreeing with me. I at first thought that you didn't. |
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Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... LOL! The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting....... Of course I do, I never said it didn't. Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here ya go- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks! Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. Oh, and your petty and childish name calling shows that you aren't credible, and also that you don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you could do so in a manner that would make one think that you are actually able to carry on a decent conversation. |
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Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. |
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James Sweet wrote: Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good. |
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James Sweet wrote: Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good. The return (suction) line is quite a bit cooler than ambient. A properly charged system will return a small amount of refrigerant to the condensing unit in a liquid state to help cool the compressor. The liquid line however will be warmer than ambient, this is because when the refrigerant is compressed it will turn to a superheated gas which then flows through the condenser where it is cooled by ambient air and condenses to a liquid, no matter how efficient the condenser it will still never be dropped quite down to ambient temperature, nothing is ever 100% efficient. When it gets to the evaporator, it is metered in though either a fixed orifice or (ideally) a thermostatic valve which allows just the right amount into the evaporator so that it absorbs heat and boils almost entirely away, leaving just enough liquid to cool the compressor without wasting energy flooding the evaporator. I'm a certified HVAC tech and have done quite a bit of work on domestic stuff so I'm quite familiar with this. We're talking about two different things here, a closed loop phase change refrigeration system is not the same principal as a bucket of ice water. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Sam wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other. Here it is again in case you missed it the first time- " So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air temperature, don't you?" So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes warmer than the ambient air. I'll be waiting. Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT? Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've stated. At least the first law- energy cannot be created or destroyed. You stated that the water in the heat exchanger will become warmer than ambient. If this were true the heat exchanger would be working in excess of 100% efficiency, thus creating energy. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... James Sweet wrote: Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good. LOL! You're a joke a minute. |
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... James Sweet wrote: Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good. LOL! You're a joke a minute. Sam, You are new here, it is best if you don't try to "win" an argument with Bassy. |
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James Sweet wrote:
basskisser wrote: James Sweet wrote: Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air? Of course it does dimbulb. So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant. The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water. As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature. Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good. The return (suction) line is quite a bit cooler than ambient. A properly charged system will return a small amount of refrigerant to the condensing unit in a liquid state to help cool the compressor. The liquid line however will be warmer than ambient, this is because when the refrigerant is compressed it will turn to a superheated gas which then flows through the condenser where it is cooled by ambient air and condenses to a liquid, no matter how efficient the condenser it will still never be dropped quite down to ambient temperature, nothing is ever 100% efficient. When it gets to the evaporator, it is metered in though either a fixed orifice or (ideally) a thermostatic valve which allows just the right amount into the evaporator so that it absorbs heat and boils almost entirely away, leaving just enough liquid to cool the compressor without wasting energy flooding the evaporator. I'm a certified HVAC tech and have done quite a bit of work on domestic stuff so I'm quite familiar with this. We're talking about two different things here, a closed loop phase change refrigeration system is not the same principal as a bucket of ice water. Consider who you are responding to.......the "King of the NG idiots". He is not the brightest bulb in the marquee........most likely form drinking too much of that "schnapps whiskey" |
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