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2. Any downside of doing this?


Yes. It's a 4-stroke with OIL in it. You must be very careful the OIL in
it doesn't go where it's not supposed to go. You can only lay down a 4-
stroker certain ways, and even then I'd be deathly afraid the oil would be
splashing around in there where it's not supposed to go, laying down like
that, while you were underway with the other motor.

Too bad it's not a 2 stroker. It wouldn't matter, then, especially if you
took the stupid oil injection off it and premixed its gas the way a 2-
stroker is supposed to be run...dry.

I like the lift idea hooked to the stern....the kind they use on the stern
of outboard-powered sailboats that lifts the hole motor back then up to
lock into a totally dry position above the stern while underway. The motor
would be parked in its proper upright position where the OIL is not an
issue. You can even work on it if it's broke, that way.

Larry
--
My calendar must be wrong....
In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!

Larry, I'm not disputing your word, but are you sure there would be an
oil problem?

The reason I ask, is because I have a 4-cycle weed eater,a nd it
doesn'tmatter how you lay it, nor what angle you run it, there hasn't
had a problem with oil leaking or foaming out of where ever it can get
out.

Just curious....


Larry wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

2. Any downside of doing this?


Yes. It's a 4-stroke with OIL in it. You must be very careful the OIL in
it doesn't go where it's not supposed to go. You can only lay down a 4-
stroker certain ways, and even then I'd be deathly afraid the oil would be
splashing around in there where it's not supposed to go, laying down like
that, while you were underway with the other motor.

Too bad it's not a 2 stroker. It wouldn't matter, then, especially if you
took the stupid oil injection off it and premixed its gas the way a 2-
stroker is supposed to be run...dry.

I like the lift idea hooked to the stern....the kind they use on the stern
of outboard-powered sailboats that lifts the hole motor back then up to
lock into a totally dry position above the stern while underway. The motor
would be parked in its proper upright position where the OIL is not an
issue. You can even work on it if it's broke, that way.

Larry
--
My calendar must be wrong....
In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!

wrote:
Larry, I'm not disputing your word, but are you sure there would be an
oil problem?

The reason I ask, is because I have a 4-cycle weed eater,a nd it
doesn'tmatter how you lay it, nor what angle you run it, there hasn't
had a problem with oil leaking or foaming out of where ever it can get
out.

Just curious....

I have the T-8 and it can be laid on one side. The power
tilt gets it up pretty high. I leave it down towing but run
some pretty rough water with it up and have had no oil
problems so far.

If Jay can wait a day or so I'll try to remember to measure
the clearance needed when tilted up.

-rick-

-rick- wrote:
wrote:
Larry, I'm not disputing your word, but are you sure there would be an
oil problem?

The reason I ask, is because I have a 4-cycle weed eater,a nd it
doesn'tmatter how you lay it, nor what angle you run it, there hasn't
had a problem with oil leaking or foaming out of where ever it can get
out.

Just curious....

I have the T-8 and it can be laid on one side. The power
tilt gets it up pretty high. I leave it down towing but run
some pretty rough water with it up and have had no oil
problems so far.

If Jay can wait a day or so I'll try to remember to measure
the clearance needed when tilted up.

-rick-

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

Jay Chan

wrote:

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

I'll get a measurement this weekend for you.

Trailering it down is possible because it doesn't extend
below the bottom enough to be a problem. It's only a 12
degree deadrise but the trailer has it sitting high enough.

-rick-

-rick- wrote:
wrote:

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

I'll get a measurement this weekend for you.

Trailering it down is possible because it doesn't extend
below the bottom enough to be a problem. It's only a 12
degree deadrise but the trailer has it sitting high enough.

-rick-

Thanks for explaining why you can keep the kicker down while towing.
Unfortunately, I don't have this option because my boat is sitting
quite close to the ground when towing.

Thanks again for measuring the length for me.

Jay Chan

"-rick-" wrote in message
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wrote:

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

I'll get a measurement this weekend for you.

Trailering it down is possible because it doesn't extend below the bottom
enough to be a problem. It's only a 12 degree deadrise but the trailer
has it sitting high enough.

-rick-


I trailer with mine partway up. I learned from the guys trailering Baja,
and cut a length of PVC pipe and cut an opening down the side and it snaps
on to the piston rod, so the motor rides on the PVC instead of on the
piston.

Calif Bill wrote:

I trailer with mine partway up. I learned from the guys trailering Baja,
and cut a length of PVC pipe and cut an opening down the side and it snaps
on to the piston rod, so the motor rides on the PVC instead of on the
piston.

I wonder more about the wear it gets on the water. I had to
replace the support pin on my old Honda once.

See "T8 tilted" on alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean

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The reason I ask, is because I have a 4-cycle weed eater,a nd it
doesn'tmatter how you lay it, nor what angle you run it, there hasn't
had a problem with oil leaking or foaming out of where ever it can get
out.



Damned cheap *******s wouldn't put even the owner's manual on the net in
pdf format. They want you to BUY one, so I couldn't quote from it. But,
all the portable 4-stroke outboards, like the Yam8 I've seen, warn you in
the manual to carry it by the handle, lay it on its back or on one side
ONLY so the oil doesn't run out of it into the carb, escaping into the case
I'd guess. Lionheart's 5hp Nissan specifically forbids carrying it or
laying it in certain ways or bad things happen.

Premix 2-stroke motors are just better for a portable outboard...lighter,
more powerful, noisier, smokier but you don't have to change the oil or
worry about how you lay it on the dock or in the trunk....er, ah, if you
ran the carb floats dry, that is...(c;

Larry
--
My calendar must be wrong....
In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!

Larry wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

2. Any downside of doing this?


Yes. It's a 4-stroke with OIL in it. You must be very careful the OIL in
it doesn't go where it's not supposed to go. You can only lay down a 4-
stroker certain ways, and even then I'd be deathly afraid the oil would be
splashing around in there where it's not supposed to go, laying down like
that, while you were underway with the other motor.

I am not aware that oil from a 4-stroke motor can leak out that easily.
None of the operator manual of all my 4-stroke gas-powered equipment
have a warning about this. At most they ask me to turn off the fuel
valve or run the motor dry before putting the motor on its side (like
when I need to do an oil change on the motor). Anyway, this probably
should not be a problem to me because I rarely ever tilt the motor to
its highest position.

Too bad it's not a 2 stroker. It wouldn't matter, then, especially if you
took the stupid oil injection off it and premixed its gas the way a 2-
stroker is supposed to be run...dry.

I can see that a small 2-stroke is a good choice if it is being used to
plane a small boat. But I will use the small outboard as a kicker and
the boat will be running quite slowly. I have a feeling that I will
smell the exhaust from the 2-stroke motor if the wind is blowing from
behind the boat. Therefore, I will get a 4-stroke instead of a
2-stroke.

I like the lift idea hooked to the stern....the kind they use on the stern
of outboard-powered sailboats that lifts the hole motor back then up to
lock into a totally dry position above the stern while underway. The motor
would be parked in its proper upright position where the OIL is not an
issue. You can even work on it if it's broke, that way.

As mentioned in my post, I will get a motor that has a powered trim
option. This means I really don't need the manual-motor-lifter such as
those from Garelick. Garelick has a powered-motor-lifter that we can
use to lift a motor straight up or down just by hitting a button;
unfortunately, that powered-motor-lifter from Garelick is very
expensive (as much as the price of the small outboard itself). Thanks
for the suggestion though.

Jay Chan