Larry wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

2. Any downside of doing this?


Yes. It's a 4-stroke with OIL in it. You must be very careful the OIL in
it doesn't go where it's not supposed to go. You can only lay down a 4-
stroker certain ways, and even then I'd be deathly afraid the oil would be
splashing around in there where it's not supposed to go, laying down like
that, while you were underway with the other motor.

I am not aware that oil from a 4-stroke motor can leak out that easily.
None of the operator manual of all my 4-stroke gas-powered equipment
have a warning about this. At most they ask me to turn off the fuel
valve or run the motor dry before putting the motor on its side (like
when I need to do an oil change on the motor). Anyway, this probably
should not be a problem to me because I rarely ever tilt the motor to
its highest position.

Too bad it's not a 2 stroker. It wouldn't matter, then, especially if you
took the stupid oil injection off it and premixed its gas the way a 2-
stroker is supposed to be run...dry.

I can see that a small 2-stroke is a good choice if it is being used to
plane a small boat. But I will use the small outboard as a kicker and
the boat will be running quite slowly. I have a feeling that I will
smell the exhaust from the 2-stroke motor if the wind is blowing from
behind the boat. Therefore, I will get a 4-stroke instead of a
2-stroke.

I like the lift idea hooked to the stern....the kind they use on the stern
of outboard-powered sailboats that lifts the hole motor back then up to
lock into a totally dry position above the stern while underway. The motor
would be parked in its proper upright position where the OIL is not an
issue. You can even work on it if it's broke, that way.

As mentioned in my post, I will get a motor that has a powered trim
option. This means I really don't need the manual-motor-lifter such as
those from Garelick. Garelick has a powered-motor-lifter that we can
use to lift a motor straight up or down just by hitting a button;
unfortunately, that powered-motor-lifter from Garelick is very
expensive (as much as the price of the small outboard itself). Thanks
for the suggestion though.

Jay Chan

-rick- wrote:
wrote:
Larry, I'm not disputing your word, but are you sure there would be an
oil problem?

The reason I ask, is because I have a 4-cycle weed eater,a nd it
doesn'tmatter how you lay it, nor what angle you run it, there hasn't
had a problem with oil leaking or foaming out of where ever it can get
out.

Just curious....

I have the T-8 and it can be laid on one side. The power
tilt gets it up pretty high. I leave it down towing but run
some pretty rough water with it up and have had no oil
problems so far.

If Jay can wait a day or so I'll try to remember to measure
the clearance needed when tilted up.

-rick-

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

Jay Chan

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:39:30 -0500, Larry wrote:

sherwindu wrote in
:

This year I installed a Garelick lifter for my Yamaha 9.9 high thrust
4 stroke. It is a
somewhat heavy (100 lb.) engine, and thus the necessity for an
assisted lifter.


Geez, you'd think it was a diesel!

Love the "High Thrust". I'll bet it's as high as any 9.9hp
outboard...putting out 9.9hp like it does...or is supposed to....(c;

Those marketing guys invent some great stuff, don't they?


You seem to become more foolish with every pronouncement. This one is
a real corker.

Next he'll be telling us how it's some conspiracy that the Japanese are
plotting against us to overthrow the world using a 9.9 horsepower
Yamaha High Thrust engine.

sherwindu wrote:
This year I installed a Garelick lifter for my Yamaha 9.9 high thrust
4 stroke. It is a somewhat heavy (100 lb.) engine, and thus the
necessity for an assisted lifter.

Does yours a fully-manual-motor-lifter or a hydraulic-assisted /
manually-operated motor-lifter? I see that Garelick has a
hydraulic-assisted / manually-operated motor-lifter. But I am not sure
how well it works considering the fact that I have a "container" (box)
right in front of the kicker. If I used a manually operated motor
lifter, that "container" would get in the way when I tried to lift the
motor up, and I would have to bending my back in an awkward angle.
That is the reason why I want the powered trim option.

What I did to support the engine was buy a big piece of stainless
steel plating, which I used as a backing plate for the Garelick.
This distributes the load across a larger area of the transom.

Thanks for the suggestion of using a SS backing plate. How thick the
backing plate do you need for your 9.9hp motor?

... I also was worried about the engine hitting the transom when
fully tilted up. ...

I don't quite understand. Why do you need to tilt up the motor? If
your motor lifter is going to lift the motor straight up and down
vertically, it should not need to be tilted up, and it should never hit
the transom, right?

Jay Chan

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
I would like to know some info about Yamaha 8hp High Thrust 4-stroke
outboard motor when it is fully tilted up.

I am planning to get that Yamaha motor as a kicker for trolling and
backup. Unfortunately, I cannot mount it directly on the transom of my
boat. The reason is that the transom only has one opening for the main
motor. The boat has a container in each side of the opening. I cannot
mount the motor over the container because the container is a flimsy
structure. I will have to somehow mount the motor at the back of the
transom.

I could have installed a manual-motor-lift (such as the one from
Garelick); but I am looking for the version of Yamaha 8hp outboard
that has a power-trim function. This means instead of having the
outboard lifting straight up and down, I will have it tilting up and
down.

Seem like the best way is to install a motor bracket behind the
transom, mount the 8hp motor on the motor bracket, and has the 8hp
motor kind of sticking out. The question is how far that I should have
it sticking up. If it is not sticking out far enough, the cowl of the
motor will hit the container that I mentioned above when the motor is
fully tilted up. If it is sticking out to far, I am afraid that it
will add too much stress on the transom. I want the motor bracket
sticking out just far enough not to hit the container when the motor is
fully tilted up.

My questions a
1. What is the distance between the far end of the cowl and
the motor mount when the motor is fully tilted up?
2. Any downside of doing this?
3. Any better idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan


Great motor. Mine is mounted maybe 12" back on a solid to the boat
bracket.
You have to look at the shaft length you need. I have the extra long
25",
which allows me to mount the motor bracket higher off the water, and when
the motor is tilted the foot is out of the water. Your dealer should
have
some required measurements.

Are you going to go get some crabs, Bill?


When the ocean lays down a little. Sunday was a surprise as was calm, but
Saturday had wind and swells to 12'-14'. I restrict my boating to max 8'
swells and go early to avoid the 2-3' wind seas. Looking like Monday is
going to be the day to get Thanksgiving crab.


NWS Forecast
FZUS56 KMTR 151633
CWFMTR

COASTAL WATERS FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN FRANCISCO CA
833 AM PST WED NOV 15 2006

POINT ARENA TO POINT PIEDRAS BLANCAS AND OUT 60 NM INCLUDING THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA AND MONTEREY BAY

PZZ500-152330-
833 AM PST WED NOV 15 2006

..SYNOPSIS FOR THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA COAST AND BAYS INCLUDING
MONTEREY BAY...GULF OF THE FARALLONES...AND CORDELL BANK NATIONAL
MARINE SANCTUARIES...

WINDS OVER THE COASTAL WATERS WILL REMAIN OUT OF THE SOUTH TO
SOUTHWEST TODAY AS A FRONTAL BOUNDARY APPROACHES FROM THE
NORTHWEST TONIGHT. THIS FRONTAL BOUNDARY WILL BRING A CHANCE OF
RAIN ACROSS THE NORTH AND A CHANGE IN WIND DIRECTION TO A MORE
NORTHWEST FLOW ON THURSDAY.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PZZ550-570-152330-
/O.ROU.KMTR.MA.F.0000.000000T0000Z-000000T0000Z/
POINT ARENA TO PIGEON POINT TO 20 NM-
POINT ARENA TO PIGEON POINT 20 TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-
833 AM PST WED NOV 15 2006

TODAY
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 5 TO
7 FT AT 10 SECONDS.

TONIGHT
S WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL
4 TO 6 FT AT 10 SECONDS. RAIN LIKELY.

THU
S WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 7 TO 9
FT AT 10 SECONDS. CHANCE OF RAIN.

THU NIGHT
SW WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 2 FT. W SWELL 7
TO 9 FT. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

FRI
W WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 7 TO 9 FT.
SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

SAT
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 6 TO 8 FT.

SUN
W WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 6 TO 8 FT.
SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN.


...SAN FRANCISCO BAR/FOURFATHOM BANK FORECAST
...

IN THE DEEP WATER CHANNEL AND ACROSS THE BAR...NORTHWEST SWELL 3
TO 5 FEET OCCASIONALLY TO 6 FEET DURING MAXIMUM EBB CURRENT OF
1.6 KT AT 12:09 PM AND 1.3 KT AT 11:20 PM TONIGHT.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PZZ555-575-152330-
/O.ROU.KMTR.MA.F.0000.000000T0000Z-000000T0000Z/
PIGEON POINT TO POINT PIEDRAS BLANCAS TO 20 NM-
PIGEON POINT TO POINT PIEDRAS BLANCAS 20 TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-
833 AM PST WED NOV 15 2006

TODAY
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 5 TO
7 FT AT 11 SECONDS.

TONIGHT
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL
4 TO 6 FT AT 10 SECONDS. SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN.

THU
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 6 TO
8 FT AT 10 SECONDS. SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN.

THU NIGHT
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL
7 TO 9 FT. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

FRI
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 7 TO
9 FT. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS.

SAT
NW WINDS 10 TO 20 KT. WIND WAVES 2 TO 4 FT. NW SWELL 6 TO 8 FT.

SUN
NW WINDS 5 TO 15 KT. WIND WAVES 1 TO 3 FT. NW SWELL 6 TO 8 FT.
SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN.

The guys with bigger boats have been getting plugged traps. 10-18 crab in a
trap. But commercial season opens today, so the pressure will reduce that.
I run 5 traps. Abnd limit is 10 per person.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
I would like to know some info about Yamaha 8hp High Thrust 4-stroke
outboard motor when it is fully tilted up.

I am planning to get that Yamaha motor as a kicker for trolling and
backup. Unfortunately, I cannot mount it directly on the transom of my
boat. The reason is that the transom only has one opening for the main
motor. The boat has a container in each side of the opening. I cannot
mount the motor over the container because the container is a flimsy
structure. I will have to somehow mount the motor at the back of the
transom.

I could have installed a manual-motor-lift (such as the one from
Garelick); but I am looking for the version of Yamaha 8hp outboard
that has a power-trim function. This means instead of having the
outboard lifting straight up and down, I will have it tilting up and
down.

Seem like the best way is to install a motor bracket behind the
transom, mount the 8hp motor on the motor bracket, and has the 8hp
motor kind of sticking out. The question is how far that I should have
it sticking up. If it is not sticking out far enough, the cowl of the
motor will hit the container that I mentioned above when the motor is
fully tilted up. If it is sticking out to far, I am afraid that it
will add too much stress on the transom. I want the motor bracket
sticking out just far enough not to hit the container when the motor is
fully tilted up.

My questions a
1. What is the distance between the far end of the cowl and
the motor mount when the motor is fully tilted up?
2. Any downside of doing this?
3. Any better idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan


Great motor. Mine is mounted maybe 12" back on a solid to the boat
bracket.
You have to look at the shaft length you need. I have the extra long
25",
which allows me to mount the motor bracket higher off the water, and when
the motor is tilted the foot is out of the water. Your dealer should
have
some required measurements.

Yes, you pretty much sold that motor to me in one of my prior message
thread. The Yamaha T8 motor is good not only because its gear ratio is
supposed to be good for a kicker, but also one of their T8 model has a
power trim option that is quite reasonably priced (I don't believe
other small outboard has this option).

Your boat must be much bigger than mine. Mine is a semi-V full 18-ft
boat. I am hoping that I will only need no more than 20" shaft.

I am asking this here because I want to know how long the motor bracket
needs to stick out. If it will be sticking out too far, I will have to
forget about this (and stick with a manually operated motor lift such
as one of those from Garelick) because I really don't want to put too
much stress on the transom. Therefore, this is pre-mature for me to
figure out the shaft length yet; I need to figure out the motor
mounting method first before figuring out the shaft length, and then I
can talk to the Yamaha dealer.

Thanks for the good info.

Jay Chan



Mine is a 21' 3400# very shallow Vee aluminum boat.

Calif Bill wrote:

When the ocean lays down a little. Sunday was a surprise as was calm, but
Saturday had wind and swells to 12'-14'. I restrict my boating to max 8'
swells and go early to avoid the 2-3' wind seas. Looking like Monday is
going to be the day to get Thanksgiving crab.


How far out do you go with your 21' er? Farallons?

And where do you crab, close to shore?

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:

When the ocean lays down a little. Sunday was a surprise as was calm,
but
Saturday had wind and swells to 12'-14'. I restrict my boating to max 8'
swells and go early to avoid the 2-3' wind seas. Looking like Monday is
going to be the day to get Thanksgiving crab.


How far out do you go with your 21' er? Farallons?

And where do you crab, close to shore?




Farallon's on a nice day. You can crab within sight of the shore. Halfmoon
Bay we get the best crabbing about 8 miles from the harbor in 100-120' of
water. If deeper you want a puller for the pots. Lots of 14' skiffs crab
just outside the harbor. Sandy bottom and protected by Colorado Reef.

wrote:

Thanks in advance for measuring the clearance for me. No hurry. I
have a whole winter and next spring to shop for the kicker.

I have a question though: How do you get away from leaving the motor
down when you are towing the boat? Does your boat have a deep V hull?
I doubt that I can do this because mine is a semi-V hull and the boat
sits very low when it is on the trailer.

I'll get a measurement this weekend for you.

Trailering it down is possible because it doesn't extend
below the bottom enough to be a problem. It's only a 12
degree deadrise but the trailer has it sitting high enough.

-rick-

Calif Bill wrote:

Farallon's on a nice day. You can crab within sight of the shore. Halfmoon
Bay we get the best crabbing about 8 miles from the harbor in 100-120' of
water. If deeper you want a puller for the pots. Lots of 14' skiffs crab
just outside the harbor. Sandy bottom and protected by Colorado Reef.

Cool. I'd like to do that when I'm out there sometime.