JimH wrote:


Why is this a troll Chuck? How is it not related to the gas you choose to
purchase at your marina, which may or may not be a Citgo station? The post
is indeed on topic.

Because it wasn't really about buying gas at a marina. It was really
about your prediction that Hugo Chavez is "out to kill us all with
nuclear bombs".


So do you endorse the purchase of gasoline from Citgo stations?

Of course not. I prefer to send my petro-dollars to the muslim
extremists who buy and sell oil through those traditional American oil
companies 49% controlled by good ol' boys from Texas and their
families, but thanks for asking.

If you *were* actually interested in the geo-political ramifications of
purchasing fuel at a marina- one thing most experienced boaters would
take into account is that unlike driving a car down the freeway with
3-4 filling stations at nearly every exit, a boater often has very few
options concerning where he or she will buy fuel. It can be many miles
between fuel docks. If you have CITGO gas on your fuel dock and don't
want to buy it, it isn't like you can just pull around to the other
side of the float and fill up with Shell or Chevron instead.

Would I run out of fuel and have to call for a tow rather than buy
CITGO at a fuel dock?
Heck no. It isn't always as simple as just boycotting a particular
station, and even if it were it would be unlikely to change world
events much.

Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now, and
whatever one might happen to think of GWB he is no better or worse
president as a result of Natalie's on-stage insult *or* the boycott by
furious GWB fans.

But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.

You'll feel vindicated and be lulled into a false sense of patriotism
if your fuel dock switches, but in the current global market CITGO can
sell all the oil it want to pump and refine, anyway. Changing your fuel
buying habits at the marina won't make you any safer from terrorists.
There are a few things that could be changed that *would* make us
safer, but that gets so far off topic and becomes political so I will
simply let it go at that.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in Canada.





, and
whatever one might happen to think of GWB he is no better or worse
president as a result of Natalie's on-stage insult *or* the boycott by
furious GWB fans.

But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

NOYB wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in Canada.


It's probably a rare day that we can both be reasonably right on the
same issue, NOYB.
Record sales are through the roof right now for the Chicks. Last album
sold over a half million copies in the first week! One of the reasons
their concerts didn't sell very well in the south didn't have much to
do with the fans. After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they? The biggest problems the Chicks had was that certain radio
stations, notably those owned by the network that airs Rush Limbaugh
(and that can be all of the stations in a lot of smaller communities)
refused to allow the promoters to buy advertising time on their radio
stations.

From an article on the net:


The Chicks' new album, entitled Taking the Long Way, was released in
stores and online May 22, 2006. The album was produced by Rick Rubin
(who had worked with Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Johnny Cash,
Neil Diamond, and the Beastie Boys among others) and was publicized to
be more rock-intensive than country-oriented. [5] [6] All 14 tracks
were co-written by the three Chicks, alongside various other
songwriters. The album contained additional tracks that seemed to
indirectly reference what the group called "The Incident", and the
group remained outwardly defiant. For instance, in the May 29 issue of
Time, Maguire said, "I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool
people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for
life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba
McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit
what you can do." Maines also retracted her earlier apology to Bush,
stating, "I apologized for disrespecting the office of the President,
but I don't feel that way anymore. I don't feel he is owed any respect
whatsoever." [7]

Despite minimal airplay, Taking the Long Way debuted at number one on
both the U.S. pop albums chart and the U.S. country albums chart,
selling 526,000 copies in the first week (the year's second-best such
total for any country act) and making it a gold record within its first
week. The Chicks became the first female group in chart history to have
three albums debut at #1.[8]

The group's Accidents & Accusations Tour began in July 2006. Ticket
sales were strong in Canada, decent in some Northeastern markets, but
notably weak in other areas. A number of shows were cancelled due to
poor sales, and in Houston, Texas, tickets never even went on sale when
local radio stations refused to accept advertising for the event [9].
In August, a re-routed tour schedule was announced with a greater
emphasis on Canadian dates, where Taking the Long Way had gone
five-times-platinum. The tour's shows themselves generally refrained
from any explicit verbal political comments, letting the music,
especially the central performance of "Not Ready to Make Nice", speak
for itself.



But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

No, the point here is that he probably *won't* see any declining fuel
sales if (as in most locations) there isn't another fuel dock in the
immediate vicinity. If there's no choice people will buy it. Same thing
as with these silly "Don't buy any gas for a day" boycotts
that pop up from time to time. Ok, so one day is slow.....sales are all
the more red hot for three days thereafter because nobody stopped
drving, they just timed their fill-up differently. Oil company/ gas
station/ fuel dock sells just as much product for the week as always,
just on a different day.

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
. ..

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...

JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez)
you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will
eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban
missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

Troll.

Response not OT as trolls live under bridges, bridges go over rivers,
and there might be a boat on the river. :-)


Why is this a troll Chuck? How is it not related to the gas you choose to
purchase at your marina, which may or may not be a Citgo station? The
post is indeed on topic.

What a ****ing idiot. How many marinas offer multiple brands of gasoline?

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will
eventually buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban
missile crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

Pattern recognition is obviously NOT one of your skills.

At various summit meetings, your president has said inane things without
realizing his microphone was on. He slithers up behind the German
chancellor* and rubs her shoulders, a stupid thing normally practiced by
drunk college boys who are trying to look down the front of a girl's blouse.
Certainly you don't believe other world leaders give him a pass for these
practices, just because of his title. They don't. Instead, they hang out
together and think up things to say which they know will get him all worked
up so he'll say even more stupid things. It works on you, too.

*
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Bush_m...at_0718.htm l

JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

I think the mutual animosity between Bush and Chavez has to do with
Chavez nationalized their oil industry and Bush tried (and failed) to
engineer a military coup against Chavez.

When someone tries to stage a coup against a country leader (and a
democratically elected leader), that country leader is not going to be
friendly to that person. This is unavoidable that Chavez hates Bush so
much.

When a small country whose only important strategy resource in the
country is oil, that small country will try to gain control over that
strategy resource in their country to maximize their national interest.
Otherwise, that small country would have very little bargaining power
as comparing to gaint mult-national companies (that can be as powerful
as the small country). Therefore, this is probably unavoidable that
Chavez wanted to nationalize their oil industry. Bush, being friendly
to big oil firms in US, of course does all kind of things to hurt
Chavez.

I think Bush should start believing what he has preached (democracy and
all these) and accepts that Chavez is a democratically elected leader
that represents the will of their people, and start talking to him and
repairing the damaged relationship between two countries. And Chavez
should get out from the "garrison state" mentality and stop wasting oil
money to buy friends.

Meanwhile, I will continue getting oil from Citgo or the like as long
as the price is right.

Jay Chan

wrote:
JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

I think the mutual animosity between Bush and Chavez has to do with
Chavez nationalized their oil industry and Bush tried (and failed) to
engineer a military coup against Chavez.

When someone tries to stage a coup against a country leader (and a
democratically elected leader), that country leader is not going to be
friendly to that person. This is unavoidable that Chavez hates Bush so
much.

When a small country whose only important strategy resource in the
country is oil, that small country will try to gain control over that
strategy resource in their country to maximize their national interest.
Otherwise, that small country would have very little bargaining power
as comparing to gaint mult-national companies (that can be as powerful
as the small country). Therefore, this is probably unavoidable that
Chavez wanted to nationalize their oil industry. Bush, being friendly
to big oil firms in US, of course does all kind of things to hurt
Chavez.

I think Bush should start believing what he has preached (democracy and
all these) and accepts that Chavez is a democratically elected leader
that represents the will of their people, and start talking to him and
repairing the damaged relationship between two countries. And Chavez
should get out from the "garrison state" mentality and stop wasting oil
money to buy friends.

Meanwhile, I will continue getting oil from Citgo or the like as long
as the price is right.

Jay Chan

Citgo will not have any problems selling all of their oil and gas. If
you buy your gas at an independent service station there is a good
chance it is Citgo, since independent (QT, Kroger, 7/11 etc) buy their
gas on the spot market. It is also common for branded gas to buy their
gas from another supplier, such as Citgo, and place their "additives" in
the gas and sell it as their own. Some people like to look for simple
solutions to complex issues.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

I think the mutual animosity between Bush and Chavez has to do with
Chavez nationalized their oil industry and Bush tried (and failed) to
engineer a military coup against Chavez.

When someone tries to stage a coup against a country leader (and a
democratically elected leader), that country leader is not going to be
friendly to that person. This is unavoidable that Chavez hates Bush so
much.

When a small country whose only important strategy resource in the
country is oil, that small country will try to gain control over that
strategy resource in their country to maximize their national interest.
Otherwise, that small country would have very little bargaining power
as comparing to gaint mult-national companies (that can be as powerful
as the small country). Therefore, this is probably unavoidable that
Chavez wanted to nationalize their oil industry. Bush, being friendly
to big oil firms in US, of course does all kind of things to hurt
Chavez.

I think Bush should start believing what he has preached (democracy and
all these) and accepts that Chavez is a democratically elected leader
that represents the will of their people, and start talking to him and
repairing the damaged relationship between two countries. And Chavez
should get out from the "garrison state" mentality and stop wasting oil
money to buy friends.

Meanwhile, I will continue getting oil from Citgo or the like as long
as the price is right.

Jay Chan

Citgo will not have any problems selling all of their oil and gas. If
you buy your gas at an independent service station there is a good
chance it is Citgo, since independent (QT, Kroger, 7/11 etc) buy their
gas on the spot market. It is also common for branded gas to buy their
gas from another supplier, such as Citgo, and place their "additives" in
the gas and sell it as their own. Some people like to look for simple
solutions to complex issues.

Yes, I am aware that named brand gas stations can also use fuel from
other companies. I was told that one of the reason has to do with the
company insufficient distribution network in a local market. If the
oil company has a large retail network but their distribution network
cannot keep up, they will have to buy fuel from other companies
(cheaper this way than building up distribution capacity). Many major
oil companies do this. The quality of the fuel that get pumped into
the gas reservoir in the gas stations really have very little
difference; the difference is how well the chain manage their retail
stations, and their marketing power.

Thanks for pointing this out because many people probably don't realize
this (I didn't know this until an oil analyst told me).

Jay Chan

wrote in message
oups.com...
JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will
eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban
missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

I think the mutual animosity between Bush and Chavez has to do with
Chavez nationalized their oil industry and Bush tried (and failed) to
engineer a military coup against Chavez.

When someone tries to stage a coup against a country leader (and a
democratically elected leader), that country leader is not going to be
friendly to that person. This is unavoidable that Chavez hates Bush so
much.

When a small country whose only important strategy resource in the
country is oil, that small country will try to gain control over that
strategy resource in their country to maximize their national interest.
Otherwise, that small country would have very little bargaining power
as comparing to gaint mult-national companies (that can be as powerful
as the small country). Therefore, this is probably unavoidable that
Chavez wanted to nationalize their oil industry. Bush, being friendly
to big oil firms in US, of course does all kind of things to hurt
Chavez.

I think Bush should start believing what he has preached (democracy and
all these) and accepts that Chavez is a democratically elected leader
that represents the will of their people, and start talking to him and
repairing the damaged relationship between two countries. And Chavez
should get out from the "garrison state" mentality and stop wasting oil
money to buy friends.

Meanwhile, I will continue getting oil from Citgo or the like as long
as the price is right.

Jay Chan


Good for you! And you are the same guy who wants to dump the human waste
collected in 5 gallon buckets on your boat into your garbage cans.

You certainly maintain some high standards and care about the future of our
children Jay!

JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.


So, you want to boycott an oil company that tried and did more for the
U.S. when we were running low on crude?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ver-usat_x.htm