"Jeff" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message Sir, the beer, sandwiches,
cooler and ice were in the boat when we came back from parking the car &
trailer. Someone must've dropped them in the wrong boat by mistake.
"Yes, but 200 kegs seems a bit excessive."

Not to me. :-)

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You will **** off a chief if you call him/her "Sir.". Officer's are call "Sir". Officers
may outrank chiefs, but chiefs are better (and any officer who doesn't understand this
will have a short carreer).

You will **** off a chief if you bull**** him/her. There's NO better bull****ter
than a chief.


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ...
"Jeff" wrote in message . ..
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?
Probably, depending on the details. In addition to my comments below, I seem to remember that a "bare boat charter" must not
include the owner or his representative. This sort of makes the described "contract" bogus.

About 12 years ago the rules were eased up a little, allowing for guests to share some expenses, bring lunch, etc. However,
anything that "smells" like making money is not allowed. The question that must be asked is "Would the captain take these guests
out even if they were not contributing anything?" If the answer is "No," then they are probably passengers for hire. If the
answer is "yes", then they are friendly guests who happen to be contributing a bit. If the contribution is less than a share of
the fuel cost, it probably isn't a charter. If the Captain ends up with more money in his pocket then he started with, it is a
charter. However, the CG has a lot of local discretion on a case by case basis.

Sir, the beer, sandwiches, cooler and ice were in the boat when we came back from parking the car & trailer. Someone must've
dropped them in the wrong boat by mistake.

"Chuck Tribolet" wrote in message
...

You will **** off a chief if you bull**** him/her. There's NO better
bull****ter
than a chief.

I've seen such bull**** attempted, when the CG cited me for rules they
misinterpreted. It didn't work. They got spanked.

beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

Thanks,

Mike.


Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.


Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?


Rosalie B. wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.

Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

Jeff wrote:

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?

The USVI. I don't know of many charter fleets in the CONUS.

Rosalie B. wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote:
beaufortnc wrote:
Hi,

I have a charter captain friend who told me once that there is a
loophole around the conventional "6-pack" CG License chartering
regulations.

He said something to the effect that if you have a contract that
specifies that the boat is being rented as a whole to the "guests",
that they are able to pick whoever they'd like to be the captain of
their "rented" vessel, whether that person is licensed or not.

So, in essence, the boat "rental" provides the income, and the
"captain" performs duties for free.

With this method, he was able to charter his boat with more than 6
guests, and without a captain's license.

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

I've talked to a man (let's call him M) who charter a boat (from a
charter company) and get a group of people together each of whom pays
M a part of the fee. Say one of those big cats that sleeps 8, and M
gets six couples and divides the charter cost by 6 instead of 8, so
that his part is paid for by the others. Then the people each bring
or buy some of the food and do the cooking and M acts as the captain
and cruise director. He gets his airfare and expenses paid for. But
he doesn't own the boat although I suppose he could have leased the
boat to the charter company.

Why not just do it with the proper paperwork? A lot of the license
schools will coach you through lying about your sea service, and in
exchange for $600-$800 will basically ensure that you pass the exam. If
you really want to haul people for hire, get the license.

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

In article ,
says...
Jeff wrote:

What country is "M" chartering in? "Big Cats" doesn't sound like the
US. Do the various Caribbean charter countries have the same strict
licensing requirements as the US?

The USVI. I don't know of many charter fleets in the CONUS.

CONUS DOES extend West of the Mississippi! There are substantial
charter fleets in the Puget Sound area. I think the largest are
in the Anacortes area and provide charters in the San Juan Islands
and Canadian Gulf Islands. There are also charter fleets in
neighboring British Columbia. (I'll be spending a week in the
Desolation Sound area in August on a chartered boat.)

SNIP

Mark Borgerson

Rosalie B. wrote:


The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

The 100-ton license is virtually the same test as the OUPV. However, to
carry more than six passengers for hire with that 100-ton master's, I
believe you have to operate an inspected vessel.

Chuck Gould wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

The way I read this, the guy wants to take more than 6 people. Or are
you saying the next license above the six-pack license is easy to get?

The 100-ton license is virtually the same test as the OUPV. However, to
carry more than six passengers for hire with that 100-ton master's, I
believe you have to operate an inspected vessel.

There is a category of Uninspected Passenger Vessel over 100 tons and
suitable for up to 12 passengers. I don't know what license is
required to operate such a vessel, but I don't think its the basic
OUPV. The section "A" that I snipped from the USCode in a previous
post referred to those boats.