What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:

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I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres
a
dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of
them.

But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in
business?

Surely , I would think, they have to make something good.....


They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass
production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range.



how did they get their dubious reputation?


From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap
they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and
Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega
and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for
long. Harley when AMF took them over?

You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!


Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the
newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value.


Nephew just bought a 2005 Mustang white convertible.
Wonder if he'd loan it to me so I can cruise the local beaches.

A GT running right behind me in the left lane kicked it into gear yesterday
while I was on I-90. My windows were open and the sound of the car
accelerating was sweet!

I agree that it is a nice looking and nice sounding car. Best built car in
North America and Europe? I don't think so. ;-)

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:18:16 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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I looked at RoadTrek's version a while back. Looked nice. Who converted
yours? Winnebago makes a conversion that looks very nice also.

http://www.winnebagoind.com/products/winnebago/view/

The Winnebago is nice, but a heavier conversion, leaving less carrying
capacity. It's also technically a class C being bigger and wider.

Ours is a Pleasure-Way (made in Canada). Class B. Click on Dodge Plateau
at:

http://www.pleasureway.com/

Eisboch


Very nice, and about $5,000 cheaper than Winnebago's version.
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What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:20:23 GMT, Don White wrote:

basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:

wrote in message
legroups.com...


I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a
dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of
them.

But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in
business?

Surely , I would think, they have to make something good.....


They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass
production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range.



how did they get their dubious reputation?


From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap
they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and
Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega
and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for
long. Harley when AMF took them over?

You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!


Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the
newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value.


Nephew just bought a 2005 Mustang white convertible.
Wonder if he'd loan it to me so I can cruise the local beaches.

Is it a GT? There's a world of difference between the GT and the V6
version. Much more than just the engine. But, my neighbor bought the V6,
and he likes it pretty well.
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What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:23:01 GMT, Don White wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:30:38 GMT, Don White wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:


On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:


wrote in message
oglegroups.com...


I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know
theres a
dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of
them.

But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in
business?

Surely , I would think, they have to make something good.....


They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass
production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range.



how did they get their dubious reputation?


From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap
they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and
Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega
and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for
long. Harley when AMF took them over?


You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!

(The best built in America or Europe for that matter!)
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I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at
the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and
shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about
playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then,
because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's
luck.

My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses.

Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times.


At work the office used to have a 'golf day' once a year. It was an easy
choice for me... stay at my desk on a beautiful day, or go out to a nice
course to walk around and whack some balls.
After a few hours of chasing my balls all over the rough stuff, begging
co-workers for some and then picking up any I saw laying around, I
decided there were better things to do on a hot sunny afternoon.


Almost the same thing happened to me about 35 years ago. The Engineer
Officers at Fort Benning would have an annual get-together for golf. I
played about five times, and the most enjoyable thing to do was bang a ball
off the huge water tank in the middle of the course!

Becoming able to hit the ball, albeit only about half the time, has changed
my attitude. Also, my doctor says I need exercise. Here I live five minutes
from a nice county course where, as a senior and county resident, I can
play 18 holes for $16.53. Not a bad deal!
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$16.53?? I could afford that. I should check the local clubs to see if
they have similar deals.

I buy 5 games at a time, playable any time within two years. It's a super
deal.
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What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

Eisboch wrote:
The ads are very careful not to mention Mercedes and there are no direct
references to Mercedes. Also ... in Europe ... a Mercedes is not the
glamorous car that it is here in the US, except for some of the performance
AGM models like the E55 and the new E66. (They had to come out with
something to compete with the BMW M5 and M6, you know) :-)

When I was there in the late 70's-early 80's, a Mercedes was nothing
more than a diesel taxi-cab. with no glamour at all.


We have a Dodge Sprinter RV, which is built by Mercedes, has a little 5
cylinder Mercedes diesel and gets over 20 mpg. It replaces the old Ram
1500, 2500 and 3500 van series and is based on a design that has been used
in Europe as a work/cargo van for many years. I am very impressed with it,
performance and quality-wise.

I've seen some pics of the Sprinter van, but it was only a utility
model. it reminds me of a modern day version of a "Metro" van.

something that has the essence of cool, but will take a bit of getting
used to.

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

JohnH wrote:


Is it a GT? There's a world of difference between the GT and the V6
version. Much more than just the engine. But, my neighbor bought the V6,
and he likes it pretty well.
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Don't know. I'll ask my sister first chance I get.

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message

From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

That and the fact that they are still a "price point" boat... ie a "starter
boat" via the low price point. They still have to cut a few corners here and
there to keep them underpriced.

-W

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

I would think that their resale value would be down the tubes if that
be the case.
I ahve heard, that on some models the transom was made out of particle
board instead of hard wood. anybody able to confirm that?



Clams Canino wrote:
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message

From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

That and the fact that they are still a "price point" boat... ie a "starter
boat" via the low price point. They still have to cut a few corners here and
there to keep them underpriced.

-W

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

Ed wrote:
I love golf...( I haven't played for 20 years but I love it) if it
wasn't for golf think how many more idiots would be on the water.........

Why would they instantly be "idiots"? Is everyone who is on the water
"idiots" in your eyes? Or just everyone except yourself?

What's the deal with Bayliner?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:46:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


I am getting a big kick out of the new advertisements for Dodge featuring
"Dr. Z" (who actually *is* Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of
DaimlerChrysler). I find them humorous and effective. Interesting that
the
new Charger has a Mercedes designed suspension. Dodge/Chrysler may become
world class cars in the future if this marriage holds up.

Eisboch



I think a lot of Europeans are concerned that a negative affect may be had
on Mercedes.


There's a lot of flack going on, mainly among advertising groups, that think
the whole campaign is stupid and may hurt Mercedes. Personally, I think
it's sour grapes and a bit of resentment that they didn't come up with
something as good. They also are going to introduce the "Smart" car in the
US, reportedly in 2007. And, just for fun, they are going to build a retro
version of the Dodge Challenger as a mid 2008 model.

The ads are very careful not to mention Mercedes and there are no direct
references to Mercedes. Also ... in Europe ... a Mercedes is not the
glamorous car that it is here in the US, except for some of the performance
AGM models like the E55 and the new E66. (They had to come out with
something to compete with the BMW M5 and M6, you know) :-)

We have a Dodge Sprinter RV, which is built by Mercedes, has a little 5
cylinder Mercedes diesel and gets over 20 mpg. It replaces the old Ram
1500, 2500 and 3500 van series and is based on a design that has been used
in Europe as a work/cargo van for many years. I am very impressed with it,
performance and quality-wise.

If Ford and Chevy don't watch out, DaimlerChrysler is going to eat their
lunch in the coming years.

Eisboch

I agree. They are making some damn fine vehicles as of late.