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"Ed" wrote in message
. ..
I love golf...( I haven't played for 20 years but I love it)

Same here. For me it has been over 25 years, although I did play golf while
vacationing at Lake Chautauqua a dozen or so years ago (and had a great
game).


.....if it wasn't for golf think how many more idiots would be on the
water.........





Could you imagine these guys on the water? http://tinyurl.com/p5gwb

But then again, I think I did see them on the water last week. ;-)

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(JoeSpareBedroom)wrote
That could be true, as long as the company ferrets out the scum who
designed the motors for the minivans, and has them executed before they
do any more damage. Cylinder to piston tolerances were measured in feet,
a fact easily noticed by simply driving behind some of these vans.


I wish they had executed them, but it appears they went to work for GM
instead. The gasser Vortec V8 in my Silverado sound like a diesel.
www.pistonslap.com tells the story. UD

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:22:58 -0400, Ed wrote:

I love golf...( I haven't played for 20 years but I love it) if it
wasn't for golf think how many more idiots would be on the water.........
AMEN!
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:33:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Tell me more about the Dodge Sprinter. I've been thinking of a small RV
for
when the wife retires next year. Is it pretty liveable for three or four
week trips? Mileage? Maintenance problems (the old Dodge bugaboo)?


Well, first of all, it's only "badged" as a Dodge. Mercedes makes them for
themselves, Dodge and Freightliner.
It's small as RV's go, but has all the basics ... refrig, microwave,
stovetop (propane), bathroom, shower, etc.
It even has a small, 2.5kw propane fueled generator. Ours is set up with a
power couch that folds out and creates either one, almost kingsize bed or
two twins.

Driving it is a breeze ... Mrs.E. loves driving it and has no problems. The
little diesel isn't a powerhouse (154 hp), but has no problem accelerating
and holding 70-75 mph uphill. It's probably the quietest diesel I've ever
heard - you really can't tell it's a diesel. The manufacturer claims 20-22
mpg - I've never checked, but I suspect it's in that neighborhood.

As far as living in it for three or four weeks at a time ... I couldn't,
because I am not into camping. For me it's ok for a weekend trip, but after
that it's hotel time or home. For those that like camping, it might be ok
because they typically spend most of the time outside and the RV is a place
to sleep, store food and use the head. It does have an awning, and all
that.

Finally ... many RV builders are building units on the Sprinter, Mercedes
and Freightliner chassis. Like boats, the quality, fit/finish and type of
components (TV, microwave, etc.) vary from builder to builder as do the
prices.
Best to look at several.

We've had several RVs ranging from a 37 foot Class A motorhome, a 37 foot
fifth wheel trailer and a smaller Class C camper. For us, the Sprinter does
everything the others did, just in a smaller way and is much, much more
relaxing to drive.

Eisboch

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""UglyDan®©T"" wrote in message
...
(JoeSpareBedroom)wrote
That could be true, as long as the company ferrets out the scum who
designed the motors for the minivans, and has them executed before they
do any more damage. Cylinder to piston tolerances were measured in feet,
a fact easily noticed by simply driving behind some of these vans.


I wish they had executed them, but it appears they went to work for GM
instead. The gasser Vortec V8 in my Silverado sound like a diesel.
www.pistonslap.com tells the story. UD




I got a chuckle out of this quote from your link:

"...a knocking engine could lower the value of a vehicle by $4,000 to $6,000
at trade-in"

Charlie Vogelheim, executive editor for Kelley Blue Book
Detroit Free Press


The knocking in my diesel powered truck will *increase* it's trade-in value
by 4k-6k.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:44:23 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:33:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Tell me more about the Dodge Sprinter. I've been thinking of a small RV
for
when the wife retires next year. Is it pretty liveable for three or four
week trips? Mileage? Maintenance problems (the old Dodge bugaboo)?


Well, first of all, it's only "badged" as a Dodge. Mercedes makes them for
themselves, Dodge and Freightliner.
It's small as RV's go, but has all the basics ... refrig, microwave,
stovetop (propane), bathroom, shower, etc.
It even has a small, 2.5kw propane fueled generator. Ours is set up with a
power couch that folds out and creates either one, almost kingsize bed or
two twins.

Driving it is a breeze ... Mrs.E. loves driving it and has no problems. The
little diesel isn't a powerhouse (154 hp), but has no problem accelerating
and holding 70-75 mph uphill. It's probably the quietest diesel I've ever
heard - you really can't tell it's a diesel. The manufacturer claims 20-22
mpg - I've never checked, but I suspect it's in that neighborhood.

As far as living in it for three or four weeks at a time ... I couldn't,
because I am not into camping. For me it's ok for a weekend trip, but after
that it's hotel time or home. For those that like camping, it might be ok
because they typically spend most of the time outside and the RV is a place
to sleep, store food and use the head. It does have an awning, and all
that.

Finally ... many RV builders are building units on the Sprinter, Mercedes
and Freightliner chassis. Like boats, the quality, fit/finish and type of
components (TV, microwave, etc.) vary from builder to builder as do the
prices.
Best to look at several.

We've had several RVs ranging from a 37 foot Class A motorhome, a 37 foot
fifth wheel trailer and a smaller Class C camper. For us, the Sprinter does
everything the others did, just in a smaller way and is much, much more
relaxing to drive.

Eisboch


I looked at RoadTrek's version a while back. Looked nice. Who converted
yours? Winnebago makes a conversion that looks very nice also.

http://www.winnebagoind.com/products/winnebago/view/
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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I looked at RoadTrek's version a while back. Looked nice. Who converted
yours? Winnebago makes a conversion that looks very nice also.

http://www.winnebagoind.com/products/winnebago/view/

The Winnebago is nice, but a heavier conversion, leaving less carrying
capacity. It's also technically a class C being bigger and wider.

Ours is a Pleasure-Way (made in Canada). Class B. Click on Dodge Plateau
at:

http://www.pleasureway.com/

Eisboch

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basskisser wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:

wrote in message
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I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a
dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of
them.

But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in
business?

Surely , I would think, they have to make something good.....


They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass
production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range.



how did they get their dubious reputation?


From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap
they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and
Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega
and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for
long. Harley when AMF took them over?

You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!


Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the
newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value.


Nephew just bought a 2005 Mustang white convertible.
Wonder if he'd loan it to me so I can cruise the local beaches.

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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:30:38 GMT, Don White wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:


On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:


wrote in message
glegroups.com...


I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know
theres a
dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of
them.

But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in
business?

Surely , I would think, they have to make something good.....


They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass
production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range.



how did they get their dubious reputation?


From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved
substantially since then.

Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be
around and they most likely have never been on one recently.

Jim

Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap
they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and
Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega
and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for
long. Harley when AMF took them over?


You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!

(The best built in America or Europe for that matter!)
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I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at
the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and
shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about
playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then,
because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's
luck.

My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses.

Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times.


At work the office used to have a 'golf day' once a year. It was an easy
choice for me... stay at my desk on a beautiful day, or go out to a nice
course to walk around and whack some balls.
After a few hours of chasing my balls all over the rough stuff, begging
co-workers for some and then picking up any I saw laying around, I
decided there were better things to do on a hot sunny afternoon.


Almost the same thing happened to me about 35 years ago. The Engineer
Officers at Fort Benning would have an annual get-together for golf. I
played about five times, and the most enjoyable thing to do was bang a ball
off the huge water tank in the middle of the course!

Becoming able to hit the ball, albeit only about half the time, has changed
my attitude. Also, my doctor says I need exercise. Here I live five minutes
from a nice county course where, as a senior and county resident, I can
play 18 holes for $16.53. Not a bad deal!
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$16.53?? I could afford that. I should check the local clubs to see if
they have similar deals.

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Eisboch wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

JohnH wrote:

On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT!


Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the
newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value.




I am getting a big kick out of the new advertisements for Dodge featuring
"Dr. Z" (who actually *is* Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of
DaimlerChrysler). I find them humorous and effective. Interesting that the
new Charger has a Mercedes designed suspension. Dodge/Chrysler may become
world class cars in the future if this marriage holds up.

Eisboch


Now if they could just do something about their automatic transmissions
in the mini-van................