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What's the deal with Bayliner?
On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:
JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! (The best built in America or Europe for that matter!) -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? Bassy, Bayliner quality problems lasted for at least 10 yrs, and covered most (maybe all) of their product line. The average person buys a car and expect to keep it for 3 to 5 years. So When someone buys a boat, they expect to own the boat for for substantially longer period of time, so when it started to show it's age after a year or two, and have problems the owners unloaded the boat. They immediately became a disgruntled former owner with a long memory, and the person who purchased the boat became a new disgruntled owner, so the Bayliner Bashers really did have a life of it's own. Even though who had not owned a Bayliner had seen some of the POS at the Boat Brokers. Under powered, seats falling aparts, windows leaking bad. You didn't have to get on the boat to see how bad the boat was, anyone walking the docks would walk away with a bad feeling about Bayliner. Bayliner is considered a quality value boat today, but it looks to me that they really put together a nice boat. It is not a fishing battle wagon for fishing the canyons, but it is not supposed to be. I can't remember the last time I heard someone talking about it being a POS. If you notice, while some people have tried to get a Bayliner Bashing thread going in rec.boats, it really didn't have any legs. It took them a long time to shake off their reputation, but it looks like it is behind them. I really think part of the reason the threads lasted so long in the past is someone would try to "oversell" the quality of Bayliner, instead of accepting Bayliner's marketing niche. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
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What's the deal with Bayliner?
Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! (The best built in America or Europe for that matter!) -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then, because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's luck. My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses. Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times. At work the office used to have a 'golf day' once a year. It was an easy choice for me... stay at my desk on a beautiful day, or go out to a nice course to walk around and whack some balls. After a few hours of chasing my balls all over the rough stuff, begging co-workers for some and then picking up any I saw laying around, I decided there were better things to do on a hot sunny afternoon. |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value. |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! (The best built in America or Europe for that matter!) -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then, because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's luck. My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses. Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times. At work the office used to have a 'golf day' once a year. It was an easy choice for me... stay at my desk on a beautiful day, or go out to a nice course to walk around and whack some balls. After a few hours of chasing my balls all over the rough stuff, begging co-workers for some and then picking up any I saw laying around, I decided there were better things to do on a hot sunny afternoon. Chasing your balls? That's just open fodder!! |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:56:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! (The best built in America or Europe for that matter!) -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then, because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's luck. My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses. Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times. With a score like that on your first time out, you should have turned pro. You'd have made more money than you could handle. Or...were you just playing nine holes? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:30:38 GMT, Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! (The best built in America or Europe for that matter!) -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John I gave up golf 30-odd years ago, after playing one game on the course at the Boca Raton Club. Part of a foursome, I played with rented clubs, and shot a 90. When we got back to the clubhouse, I talked to the pro about playing golf and he advised me to give it up right there and then, because, he said, it would take me 10 years to duplicate my beginner's luck. My only previous golf experience was on chip and putt courses. Since then, I have played miniature golf about a dozen times. At work the office used to have a 'golf day' once a year. It was an easy choice for me... stay at my desk on a beautiful day, or go out to a nice course to walk around and whack some balls. After a few hours of chasing my balls all over the rough stuff, begging co-workers for some and then picking up any I saw laying around, I decided there were better things to do on a hot sunny afternoon. Almost the same thing happened to me about 35 years ago. The Engineer Officers at Fort Benning would have an annual get-together for golf. I played about five times, and the most enjoyable thing to do was bang a ball off the huge water tank in the middle of the course! Becoming able to hit the ball, albeit only about half the time, has changed my attitude. Also, my doctor says I need exercise. Here I live five minutes from a nice county course where, as a senior and county resident, I can play 18 holes for $16.53. Not a bad deal! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:43:00 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I've heard they are actually a pretty low-quality mfj. I know theres a dealer that sells a few of them locally , but you don't see many of them. But I was thinking that if they are so bad, then how do they stay in business? Surely , I would think, they have to make something good..... They do make a decent entry level boat on par with most other mass production boats in the 17 to 25 foot range. how did they get their dubious reputation? From the crap the made in the 1980's. Their quality has improved substantially since then. Don't pay attention to the Bayliner basher crowd. They will always be around and they most likely have never been on one recently. Jim Yeah, what I don't understand is that fact, that because of the crap they built in the 80's is still haunting them. Hell, Ford Pinto and Mustang II hurt Ford for awhile, but not forever. Same with Chevy Vega and the infamous 350 that was converted to a diesel didn't hurt GM for long. Harley when AMF took them over? Bassy, Bayliner quality problems lasted for at least 10 yrs, and covered most (maybe all) of their product line. The average person buys a car and expect to keep it for 3 to 5 years. So When someone buys a boat, they expect to own the boat for for substantially longer period of time, so when it started to show it's age after a year or two, and have problems the owners unloaded the boat. They immediately became a disgruntled former owner with a long memory, and the person who purchased the boat became a new disgruntled owner, so the Bayliner Bashers really did have a life of it's own. Even though who had not owned a Bayliner had seen some of the POS at the Boat Brokers. Under powered, seats falling aparts, windows leaking bad. You didn't have to get on the boat to see how bad the boat was, anyone walking the docks would walk away with a bad feeling about Bayliner. Bayliner is considered a quality value boat today, but it looks to me that they really put together a nice boat. It is not a fishing battle wagon for fishing the canyons, but it is not supposed to be. I can't remember the last time I heard someone talking about it being a POS. If you notice, while some people have tried to get a Bayliner Bashing thread going in rec.boats, it really didn't have any legs. It took them a long time to shake off their reputation, but it looks like it is behind them. I really think part of the reason the threads lasted so long in the past is someone would try to "oversell" the quality of Bayliner, instead of accepting Bayliner's marketing niche. I agree with what you said. I think much of the Bayliner Bashing of the past was due to a famous Bayliner owner who was a participant in the group. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
What's the deal with Bayliner?
"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JohnH wrote: On 12 Jul 2006 09:20:34 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: You're correct. The best car built in America is the Ford Mustang GT! Hmmm, I'll just say they're pretty! Consumer Reports actually rates the newer 'stang quite high in both repair frequency, and used car value. I am getting a big kick out of the new advertisements for Dodge featuring "Dr. Z" (who actually *is* Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of DaimlerChrysler). I find them humorous and effective. Interesting that the new Charger has a Mercedes designed suspension. Dodge/Chrysler may become world class cars in the future if this marriage holds up. Eisboch |
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