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I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.

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I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back down
to $2/gallon!

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A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

wrote in message
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I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


The sales figures you presented a few weeks ago comparing Q1 2005 to Q1 2006
indicated the same.

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wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the other
indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy is firing
on all cylinders.

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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.



And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back down
to $2/gallon!



No matter what the current situation, there is always a certain group
that will; make money..and lots of it.
eg... CEOs of major companies (especially if they have strong ties to
sitting government)

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.



And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back
down to $2/gallon!



No matter what the current situation, there is always a certain group that
will; make money..and lots of it.
eg... CEOs of major companies (especially if they have strong ties to
sitting government)

Hey....that only happens in banana republics. Or, that's what I thought....

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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds. Some of the former middle class are joining the "haves", but a
greater number are probably joining the "have nots". For people basing
their personal economic life around working at a skilled or
semi-skilled occupation for a salary or hourly wage, incomes are more
fequently almost stagnant or even slowly declining, (while prices for
most things rise slowly and prices for eenrgy are shooting through the
roof.) But I do agree, if one only looks at a portion of the picture or
considers only ones' specific personal curcumstances the current
situation can appear very rosy indeed for a lucky (or hard working and
highly deserving) minority.

Most of the world never had a middle class. It was a product of the
need for skilled labor in a highly industrialized society in the
western economies where it has existed in the last 150 years. I think
historians will look back on this time and observe that when the
industrial base shifted from the first world to third world nations,
computers and robotics replaced a lor of the supervisory and skilled
labor occupations. This new dynamic, coupled with a surplus labor
supply numbering in the hundreds of millions in the newly emerging
industrial
powerhouses, will allow lifestyles in the Asian countries to improve
dramatically but there will be no need to transfer enough wealth to the
workforce to ever create a middle class consumer economy in most of
those areas similar to that of the United States in the last half of
the 20th Century.

When the dot.bomb stock frenzy was in full swing, a lot of big boats
were sold as well.
Obviously this isn't primarily high-tech stock money going into these
boats, a lot of it is probably people refinancing nice homes, or
selling off that rental house they bought 30 years ago for $30,000 and
walking away with $1mm.

More people than ever can afford a $1mm plus boat. More people than
ever cannot afford to pay the premiums for basic health insurance. You
could look at either end of the spectrum and draw some conclusions
about the economy, and many people (with a variety of motivations, of
course) will do so. I think the fact is that the total economic picture
legitimately includes both extremes, with an increasing emphasis on
each of the extremes and less emphasis than ever before on the area in
between.

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wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back
down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds.

That's the fault of the have-nots.

(Just thought I'd beat NOYB to the punch)

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On 1 May 2006 11:14:16 -0700, "
wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds. Some of the former middle class are joining the "haves", but a
greater number are probably joining the "have nots". For people basing
their personal economic life around working at a skilled or
semi-skilled occupation for a salary or hourly wage, incomes are more
fequently almost stagnant or even slowly declining, (while prices for
most things rise slowly and prices for eenrgy are shooting through the
roof.) But I do agree, if one only looks at a portion of the picture or
considers only ones' specific personal curcumstances the current
situation can appear very rosy indeed for a lucky (or hard working and
highly deserving) minority.

Most of the world never had a middle class. It was a product of the
need for skilled labor in a highly industrialized society in the
western economies where it has existed in the last 150 years. I think
historians will look back on this time and observe that when the
industrial base shifted from the first world to third world nations,
computers and robotics replaced a lor of the supervisory and skilled
labor occupations. This new dynamic, coupled with a surplus labor
supply numbering in the hundreds of millions in the newly emerging
industrial
powerhouses, will allow lifestyles in the Asian countries to improve
dramatically but there will be no need to transfer enough wealth to the
workforce to ever create a middle class consumer economy in most of
those areas similar to that of the United States in the last half of
the 20th Century.

When the dot.bomb stock frenzy was in full swing, a lot of big boats
were sold as well.
Obviously this isn't primarily high-tech stock money going into these
boats, a lot of it is probably people refinancing nice homes, or
selling off that rental house they bought 30 years ago for $30,000 and
walking away with $1mm.

More people than ever can afford a $1mm plus boat. More people than
ever cannot afford to pay the premiums for basic health insurance. You
could look at either end of the spectrum and draw some conclusions
about the economy, and many people (with a variety of motivations, of
course) will do so. I think the fact is that the total economic picture
legitimately includes both extremes, with an increasing emphasis on
each of the extremes and less emphasis than ever before on the area in
between.

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?

What tripe!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?

What tripe!


Lots of people SELLING middle class homes, too. Without further information
about this, any conclusions are vapor.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas. Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too.
;-)

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wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back
down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds. Some of the former middle class are joining the "haves", but a
greater number are probably joining the "have nots". For people basing
their personal economic life around working at a skilled or
semi-skilled occupation for a salary or hourly wage, incomes are more
fequently almost stagnant or even slowly declining, (while prices for
most things rise slowly and prices for eenrgy are shooting through the
roof.) But I do agree, if one only looks at a portion of the picture or
considers only ones' specific personal curcumstances the current
situation can appear very rosy indeed for a lucky (or hard working and
highly deserving) minority.

Most of the world never had a middle class. It was a product of the
need for skilled labor in a highly industrialized society in the
western economies where it has existed in the last 150 years. I think
historians will look back on this time and observe that when the
industrial base shifted from the first world to third world nations,
computers and robotics replaced a lor of the supervisory and skilled
labor occupations. This new dynamic, coupled with a surplus labor
supply numbering in the hundreds of millions in the newly emerging
industrial
powerhouses, will allow lifestyles in the Asian countries to improve
dramatically but there will be no need to transfer enough wealth to the
workforce to ever create a middle class consumer economy in most of
those areas similar to that of the United States in the last half of
the 20th Century.

I was commenting on this the other day to a friend. China has grown too
fast without experiencing the "growing pains". We had our Upton Sinclair
Industrial l Revolution to get to where we're at today. China hasn't.
They're more likely to go through much more internal turmoil than we ever
experienced. China's day of reckoning is coming.




When the dot.bomb stock frenzy was in full swing, a lot of big boats
were sold as well.
Obviously this isn't primarily high-tech stock money going into these
boats, a lot of it is probably people refinancing nice homes, or
selling off that rental house they bought 30 years ago for $30,000 and
walking away with $1mm.

More people than ever can afford a $1mm plus boat. More people than
ever cannot afford to pay the premiums for basic health insurance.

Then call your senatora and get them to vote in favor the Health Insurance
Marketplace Modernization and Affordability Act in a couple of weeks!

http://capwiz.com/nfib/issues/alert/?alertid=8167701

http://www.naractioncenter.com/keyis...hr525s406.html

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=362&DID=235632

http://www.aia.org/SiteObjects/files...ma_march06.pdf

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas. Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common). The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back
down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds.

That's the fault of the have-nots.

(Just thought I'd beat NOYB to the punch)

"I hate the poor. The poor can't pay." (Denny Crane, "Boston Legal")

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.

It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy
is firing on all cylinders.



For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my
pocket. Of course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait
costs too. ;-)





Yes, barter is great. I've been trading my stud service to the young gals
at the gas dock for free fill-ups.

It must have been a lonely winter with the boat in dry storage.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I took a seaplane up to Roche Harbor to cover one of the many owner's
rendezvous we see up this way every spring and summer. The boats were
all 36-60 feet, (nearly all 42 or larger and over 50 very common).
The
least expensive boats run about $500k, with 7-figure price tags
extremely common. This line of Asian trawlers has been imported by
the
regional dealer for about 5 years, so I was impressed to see over 30
boats gathered the last weekend in April at Roche Harbor.

When I remarked about the large gathering, I was told that several of
the people who had intended to come had to change plans at the last
minute, or the gathering would have been larger.
"We'll have a substantially larger group next year," said a
representative of the local broker/importer, "we currently have
orders
for another 31 yachts."

That's a lot of upscale boat business, by any standard.


And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back
down
to $2/gallon!



The economy is *extremely good* right now, for certain groups and
certain sectors.
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing by leaps and
bounds.

That's the fault of the have-nots.

(Just thought I'd beat NOYB to the punch)

"I hate the poor. The poor can't pay." (Denny Crane, "Boston Legal")



You've echoed similar sentiments in the past.

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

wrote in message
legroups.com...

A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.



*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.




Yup..lots of gold in them der Snowbird mouths.
'Captive audience'.....they can't drive all the way back north to escape
being fleeced.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
..

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.

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wrote in message
ups.com...


"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will be
able to change that.

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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will be
able to change that.


The change in the economic landscape transcends politics. If the D's
were in office right now, or if someother party not even invented yet
had the WH, things wouldn't be much different.

One reason that so many of the new boats being introduced are 35 feet
and larger and $350,000 and up is that seems to be where the market is.
Wally Lunchbucket, with his job at the widget plant paying enough to
drive two fairly new cars, pay off the mortgage on a cozy little tract
house, help out with the kids's college bills, and still afford a
decent boat for cruising or skiing is an endangered species- and for
reasons that have a lot to do with global economics, computerization,
and other issues that are not in the least bit political.

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wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..


Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?

.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Chuck...
Did you see the latest episode of Smart Traveller/pacific Rim with Rudy
Maxa on PBS?
http://www.kcts.org/inside/news/release_189.htm

Seattle looked beautiful... Sunny, sparkling...not a drop of rain or
fog. Lots of interesting sites and activities. next time i get out
west I'm gonna drop in for a visit.
Tonight I believe it's Vancouver &7 Victoria

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wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants
to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their
buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to
put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will
be
able to change that.


The change in the economic landscape transcends politics. If the D's
were in office right now, or if someother party not even invented yet
had the WH, things wouldn't be much different.


So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good during a short time
when he was in office............... and now the story is different? ;-)

Is that how it goes?



One reason that so many of the new boats being introduced are 35 feet
and larger and $350,000 and up is that seems to be where the market is.
Wally Lunchbucket, with his job at the widget plant paying enough to
drive two fairly new cars, pay off the mortgage on a cozy little tract
house, help out with the kids's college bills, and still afford a
decent boat for cruising or skiing is an endangered species- and for
reasons that have a lot to do with global economics, computerization,
and other issues that are not in the least bit political.


Yet a previous post of yours showing statistics on Q1 2006 vs Q1 2005 boat
sales in your area showed that all but the 18 feet and under new boats were
selling good. Go figure. ;-)

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On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:29:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?

What tripe!


Lots of people SELLING middle class homes, too. Without further information
about this, any conclusions are vapor.


Gosh, would that include all the *negative* conclusions you folks are
reaching?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Don White wrote:

Chuck...
Did you see the latest episode of Smart Traveller/pacific Rim with Rudy
Maxa on PBS?
http://www.kcts.org/inside/news/release_189.htm

Seattle looked beautiful... Sunny, sparkling...not a drop of rain or
fog.

Photoshop. Every 4-5 years when we get more than one sunny day in row,
The Chamber of Commerce shoots miles and miles of film and then gives
it away to anybody hoping to make a movie about Seattle. :-)

Please don't blow a hole in our best defense with scandalous rumors
about good weather.

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On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:13:35 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good

Where did Chuck give Clinton credit? Anything to back up the claim?

during a short time
when he was in office

As presidents go, eight years is not a short time.

.............. and now the story is different? ;-)

Actually, the story is different now. The rich are getting richer,
the poor are getting poorer. There were tax breaks specifically
targeting the rich and they have had the desired effect. Our currency
is quickly being devalued and that does adversely effect the lower
class to a greater degree.

bb

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of
the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our
economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be
bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket.
Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs
too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

How many people do you keep employed? vs, say, some scut work draftsman
in Atlanta?

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of
the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our
economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be
bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket.
Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs
too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you?

Au contraire. I "get it" just fine. But your statement was neither witty
nor accurate...and deserved a stupid post in response.

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On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:08:27 GMT, bb wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:13:35 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good

Where did Chuck give Clinton credit? Anything to back up the claim?

during a short time
when he was in office

As presidents go, eight years is not a short time.

.............. and now the story is different? ;-)

Actually, the story is different now. The rich are getting richer,
the poor are getting poorer. There were tax breaks specifically
targeting the rich and they have had the desired effect. Our currency
is quickly being devalued and that does adversely effect the lower
class to a greater degree.

bb


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of
the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our
economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be
bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket.
Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs
too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you?

Au contraire. I "get it" just fine. But your statement was neither witty
nor accurate...and deserved a stupid post in response.

It may have not been "witty", as I was not trying to be witty. It was,
however, very accurate.

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of
the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our
economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be
bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket.
Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs
too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you?

Au contraire. I "get it" just fine. But your statement was neither witty
nor accurate...and deserved a stupid post in response.

http://tinyurl.com/qxsvl

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JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H
******************************************

Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off. There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Yes, they are competing with a lot of illegal immigrants. It's sad to
see how the politicos of both parties want to deal with that problem:
Catch the illegals after they've done some work and then deport them
back to Mexico. Where is the will to deport the darned employers who
pay less than minimum wage, and who pay under the table to avoid
contributing to the tax base that supports the social services people
not earning enough to buy food and shelter are going to need? The
employers who are given phony documents and don't find out from Social
Security for 5-6 months that Jose Rodriguez is not legally entitled to
work in this country may have some defense, but the guy who hands out 3
ten-dollar bills to a day laborer at the end of a shift and keeps no
other records has no excuse whatsoever.

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wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the
statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H
******************************************

Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off.

Most? Proof?

There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Then they need to find another field of work, learn a trade or go to
college. Their destiny is in their hands.

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
ups.com...

JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the
statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H
******************************************

Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off.

Most? Proof?

Ask some of them.


There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Then they need to find another field of work, learn a trade or go to
college. Their destiny is in their hands.



Tough to do when you already work 12-16-18 hours a day.

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If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

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"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com...
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.


Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year.
Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year.

Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to
college?

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First show me folks who work 90 hours/week for only an annual income of
$25,000.

Even Micky D's pays more than the minimum wage. My son will be making
$10.50/hour plus painting houses this summer, plus another $1.50 for
every hour he worked if he does not miss work (except for vacations).

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"JimH" wrote in message
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First show me folks who work 90 hours/week for only an annual income of
$25,000.

Even Micky D's pays more than the minimum wage. My son will be making
$10.50/hour plus painting houses this summer, plus another $1.50 for
every hour he worked if he does not miss work (except for vacations).


Never mind. You are unaware of how some people exist.