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On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:50:42 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. It goes far beyond that for many resentful people in this country who have no compassion for the plight of the working poor. My grandparents came to this country with nothing except the clothes on their backs, they worked many long hours at crummy jobs for crappy pay, and they had children. In John's mind and in the mind of those who think like John, my grandparents were stupid and he doesn't feel sorry for the suffering they and millions of other poor immigrants endured and continue to endure. Are you suggesting that your grandparents, just like mine, immigrated legally, worked their tails off, made something of themselves, raised families, and did it *without* a monthly check from the government? Then you, like me, have every reason to be proud of them! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message oups.com... If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the person is to succeed in life. Excuses are easy. Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year. Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year. Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to college? If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining. If he is a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap labor coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican flag. If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's basically badly paid slaves. And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax free. Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law. I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status, which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also believe that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they want because they don't have the married label yet. Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual labor without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their behalf. Illegal. Which means nada in regards to this discussion. I needed laborers for a clean up for a couple of hours. Only ones I can hire are day laborers from in front of the lumber yard, or U-haul. Tried hiring though the state, no one shows up. Maybe they claim the money and pay the taxes. They are independent contractors, no witholding required. Same as hiring a guy with a truck to haul trash away. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2006 07:37:54 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message oups.com... If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the person is to succeed in life. Excuses are easy. Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year. Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year. Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to college? If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining. If he is a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap labor coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican flag. If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's basically badly paid slaves. And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax free. Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law. I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status, which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also believe that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they want because they don't have the married label yet. Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual labor without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their behalf. Illegal. You better go check out the rules on the circumstances under which taxes must be withheld, along with Social Security, etc. Are you suggesting I've got to do all that for the kid down the block when he mows my grass? Nope. Same situation. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about to lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't seen any of those 'specials' in a long time. It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country by reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated. If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry) going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an hour!" -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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Bassy,
I like both dentist and chiropractors, in my opinion they do more to solve medical problems than most Dr.'s. The medical profession is no longer working to solve health issues, they are working to the insurance rules so they can get paid. "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Reginald P. Smithers wrote: NOYB, Fess up, you know you hit the gas every night after work. :) "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of people. It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with all of the other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that our economy is firing on all cylinders. For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be bartering dental services for boat gasoline. I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of of gas. Now it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a two-surface anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my pocket. Of course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait costs too. ;-) Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field. *New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full mouth rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars. You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you? Au contraire. I "get it" just fine. But your statement was neither witty nor accurate...and deserved a stupid post in response. http://tinyurl.com/qxsvl I agree with #1, 2, and 4. The rest don't apply to me. Ergo, the used car salesman of the medical world. Dentists are worse than Chiropractors when it comes to making you come back to fleece you some more. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:07:26 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message oups.com... If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the person is to succeed in life. Excuses are easy. Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year. Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year. Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to college? If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining. If he is a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap labor coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican flag. If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's basically badly paid slaves. And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax free. Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law. I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status, which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also believe that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they want because they don't have the married label yet. Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual labor without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their behalf. Illegal. Which means nada in regards to this discussion. I needed laborers for a clean up for a couple of hours. Only ones I can hire are day laborers from in front of the lumber yard, or U-haul. Tried hiring though the state, no one shows up. Maybe they claim the money and pay the taxes. They are independent contractors, no witholding required. Same as hiring a guy with a truck to haul trash away. Glad you clarified that for Harry. I wonder if he realizes, now, that you're not a 'lawbreaker' for doing that. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. |
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Colleges have been overrun by applications. Colleges that use be fairly
easy to get with a solid B and a 1100 on the SAT, have been able to pick and chose. My state university is only accepting the top tier students, they average jumped their criteria up considerable. First-Year Students Percent Who Middle 50% of Submitted Scores SAT Reasoning Verbal: 560 - 660 97% SAT Reasoning Math: 570 - 670 97% My son is going to Columbia, last year they accepted 8% of the applicants, and you know only the top tier students even bothered to apply. As you said, most kids would be better off learning a trade. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 13:36:16 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers"
wrote: Colleges have been overrun by applications. Colleges that use be fairly easy to get with a solid B and a 1100 on the SAT, have been able to pick and chose. My state university is only accepting the top tier students, they average jumped their criteria up considerable. First-Year Students Percent Who Middle 50% of Submitted Scores SAT Reasoning Verbal: 560 - 660 97% SAT Reasoning Math: 570 - 670 97% My son is going to Columbia, last year they accepted 8% of the applicants, and you know only the top tier students even bothered to apply. As you said, most kids would be better off learning a trade. Most kids would be better off going to the local community college for two years! The ones on the bottom should be learning a trade. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:07:26 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:
Which means nada in regards to this discussion. I needed laborers for a clean up for a couple of hours. Only ones I can hire are day laborers from in front of the lumber yard, or U-haul. Tried hiring though the state, no one shows up. Maybe they claim the money and pay the taxes. They are independent contractors, no witholding required. Same as hiring a guy with a truck to haul trash away. Uh, not the same, and, by the letter of the law, I doubt they would meet the IRS' definition of "independent contractor". Hiring day laborers is done under the table all the time, but it isn't strictly legit. http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...=99921,00.html |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: I've been following this thread with some amusement. Has anyone here thought about what would happen to this country without immigration, both legal and illegal? This economy would collapse. As with most developed countries, we depend on immigration for a growing economy. It's all about birthrates. The natives aren't breeding fast enough to sustain our population, and, as our population ages, without immigration, this Ponzi scheme will collapse. We can talk all we want about curbing illegal immigration, but it ain't going to happen. We'll just make them legal. There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end? What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet? The concept of endless growth relates to a certain chauvinism. Anyone who watches a nature show and hears about how animals manage their territories, will say "Sure. That makes sense. Don't want too many wolves competing for the same food supply". But, humans are loathe to consider themselves animals and observe the same rules. What, killing outsiders that enroach on the pack's territory? I don't think the undocumented would care for that. Only allowing the boss wolf to breed? I wouldn't like that. I don't think Wolves are an appropriate role model for people. -- Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.” |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:49:00 +0000, Don White wrote:
There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end? What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet? Prospering is one thing, having a "growing" economy is another. People can grow quite fat in a stable economy, but our leaders are judged on job creation and other growth factors. More importantly, this country has been living beyond it's means. Deficits have to be "grown" out of. Social Security needs young blood to cover old farts like myself. We either begin to breed like rabbits, or . . . It's immigration. |
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"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
... Doug Kanter wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: I've been following this thread with some amusement. Has anyone here thought about what would happen to this country without immigration, both legal and illegal? This economy would collapse. As with most developed countries, we depend on immigration for a growing economy. It's all about birthrates. The natives aren't breeding fast enough to sustain our population, and, as our population ages, without immigration, this Ponzi scheme will collapse. We can talk all we want about curbing illegal immigration, but it ain't going to happen. We'll just make them legal. There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end? What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet? The concept of endless growth relates to a certain chauvinism. Anyone who watches a nature show and hears about how animals manage their territories, will say "Sure. That makes sense. Don't want too many wolves competing for the same food supply". But, humans are loathe to consider themselves animals and observe the same rules. What, killing outsiders that enroach on the pack's territory? I don't think the undocumented would care for that. Only allowing the boss wolf to breed? I wouldn't like that. I don't think Wolves are an appropriate role model for people. Actually, wolves very seldom kill each other over territory. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:36:16 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
As you said, most kids would be better off learning a trade. Maybe, and consider a "hands on" job is less likely to be outsourced. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...71806/?cnn=yes |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it. I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be making babies. There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:11:52 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:49:00 +0000, Don White wrote: There has to be a way for developed countries to prosper without constantly growing the population. Otherwise...where will it all end? What happens when there are 20 billion people on the planet? Prospering is one thing, having a "growing" economy is another. People can grow quite fat in a stable economy, but our leaders are judged on job creation and other growth factors. More importantly, this country has been living beyond it's means. Deficits have to be "grown" out of. Social Security needs young blood to cover old farts like myself. We either begin to breed like rabbits, or . . . It's immigration. Again, you seem to see no difference in the illegal vs legal immigration. That's why your argument is inane. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message m... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it. I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be making babies. There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, John H I wasn't aware of the "make money with babies" syndrome. You're a great teacher. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:42:14 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. It would appear that anyone in favor of illegal immigration or amnesty has no compassion for the plight of the working poor. Speaking of compassion....a donation to the Koman Breast Cancer Foundation would probably be of great benefit to the working poor who get diagnosed with breast cancer. As I'm sure you're reading this thread, and as you've said nothing one way or the other, I'll mention again...I'll triple the donation you make through: http://www.active.com/donate/varace4cure/RacingforRenee -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:30:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message om... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it. I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be making babies. There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, John H I wasn't aware of the "make money with babies" syndrome. You're a great teacher. Try this: http://www.lawhelp.org/documents/124...ateabbrev=/HI/ Around here it seems to be the big thing. About 70% of the babies born downtown are born out of wedlock. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:30:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message m... On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message news:i1ph52tfk6di0245vf6t29rovthd3tvsn7@4ax. com... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point! No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it. I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be making babies. There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, John H I wasn't aware of the "make money with babies" syndrome. You're a great teacher. Try this: http://www.lawhelp.org/documents/124...ateabbrev=/HI/ Around here it seems to be the big thing. About 70% of the babies born downtown are born out of wedlock. John H So many extremes in our society! Unbelievable. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:27:21 -0400, JohnH wrote:
There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, Geez John, you are a little out of date. AFDC was ended nearly ten years ago. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:28:52 -0400, JohnH wrote:
Again, you seem to see no difference in the illegal vs legal immigration. That's why your argument is inane. You seem to be the one hung up on a paper difference. Let me make it simple for you. We need workers. If the illegals stopped coming, we would simply increase the legal quotas. Cry all you want about illegal immigration, Washington isn't listening. They know, we need the workers. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:43:33 -0400, JohnH wrote:
Try this: http://www.lawhelp.org/documents/124...ateabbrev=/HI/ Try this: http://www.cbpp.org/1-22-02tanf2.htm |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:28:52 -0400, JohnH wrote: Again, you seem to see no difference in the illegal vs legal immigration. That's why your argument is inane. You seem to be the one hung up on a paper difference. Let me make it simple for you. We need workers. If the illegals stopped coming, we would simply increase the legal quotas. Cry all you want about illegal immigration, Washington isn't listening. They know, we need the workers. We just don't want them living too close by where we can see them. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:53:30 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:27:21 -0400, JohnH wrote: There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another baby, and then we can get money from the government." -- 'Til next time, Geez John, you are a little out of date. AFDC was ended nearly ten years ago. Yeah, the 2005 caseload seems to so indicate! http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/...eloadindex.htm -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message .7... You wrote: I wasn't aware of the "make money with babies" syndrome. Apparently, then, you have not studied the history of illegitimacy in the African-American community from Reconstruction to the present. When you do, please pay particular heed to the upward spike thereof which corresponds precisely with massive expansion in welfare programs. Amazing! 40+ years of reading news and endless history books, and I've never heard of such a thing. I hope thunder's reading this. He'll be amazed, too, at how much can be learned from other scholars here in rec.boats. |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 15:02:40 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:28:52 -0400, JohnH wrote: Again, you seem to see no difference in the illegal vs legal immigration. That's why your argument is inane. You seem to be the one hung up on a paper difference. Let me make it simple for you. We need workers. If the illegals stopped coming, we would simply increase the legal quotas. Cry all you want about illegal immigration, Washington isn't listening. They know, we need the workers. Yup. I'm the only one hung up on the paper difference. I believe the paper is important. I've no problem with increasing immigration quotas. None. As long as the immigrants get here legally, and that means we know who the hell they are. You know, the way your ancestors did it. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 19:17:57 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:28:52 -0400, JohnH wrote: Again, you seem to see no difference in the illegal vs legal immigration. That's why your argument is inane. You seem to be the one hung up on a paper difference. Let me make it simple for you. We need workers. If the illegals stopped coming, we would simply increase the legal quotas. Cry all you want about illegal immigration, Washington isn't listening. They know, we need the workers. We just don't want them living too close by where we can see them. At 15-20 per house, no. As a family? Hell yes. We've got both in our neighborhood. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about to lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't seen any of those 'specials' in a long time. It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country by reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated. If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry) going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an hour!" -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Heck, we pay my son $20 each time he cuts the grass. It takes him about 1 hour, maybe longer if he bags it. He does not trim though....my wife does that. You are getting one hell of a deal if you have someone cutting your grass for $8/hour. Professional service around here (they are in and out in 1/2 hour) is anywhere from $40 to $50 a pop. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose. The answer is simple.........the income level at which they can barely support themselves. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only to find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed, or they were just plain fired??? I am looking forward to the day in the next 2-1/2 years when millions of people in this country, legal immigrations, illegal immigrants, native born citizens, and others, join together peacefully for a week of national boycott, and shut the whole damned country down. It may not come to pass, and probably won't, but it would be delightful. Delightful? Delightful? Come on Harry, how could anyone take pleasure in something like that? I believe the boycott did more bad than good for their cause. If Bush continues to drag his feet on this issue look for the Democrats to take control of the House and Senate, and a Democrat elected POTUS. Folks are fed up on both sides of the fence. I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual mature, experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party. Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time. |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:08:34 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's spouse works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless you want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any idea what it costs? You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education, is working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of it? Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more. You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally. I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons. If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale. I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job. Totally different circumstances John H How about a less extreme example? Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the one he held while making the babies? Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about to lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't seen any of those 'specials' in a long time. It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country by reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated. If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry) going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an hour!" -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Heck, we pay my son $20 each time he cuts the grass. It takes him about 1 hour, maybe longer if he bags it. He does not trim though....my wife does that. You are getting one hell of a deal if you have someone cutting your grass for $8/hour. Professional service around here (they are in and out in 1/2 hour) is anywhere from $40 to $50 a pop. The amount wasn't the point. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:04:03 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only to find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed, or they were just plain fired??? I am looking forward to the day in the next 2-1/2 years when millions of people in this country, legal immigrations, illegal immigrants, native born citizens, and others, join together peacefully for a week of national boycott, and shut the whole damned country down. It may not come to pass, and probably won't, but it would be delightful. Delightful? Delightful? Come on Harry, how could anyone take pleasure in something like that? I believe the boycott did more bad than good for their cause. If Bush continues to drag his feet on this issue look for the Democrats to take control of the House and Senate, and a Democrat elected POTUS. Folks are fed up on both sides of the fence. I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual mature, experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party. Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time. Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity? Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into the country? John H Ah....the recorded response. I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only to find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed, or they were just plain fired??? I am looking forward to the day in the next 2-1/2 years when millions of people in this country, legal immigrations, illegal immigrants, native born citizens, and others, join together peacefully for a week of national boycott, and shut the whole damned country down. It may not come to pass, and probably won't, but it would be delightful. Delightful? Delightful? Come on Harry, how could anyone take pleasure in something like that? I believe the boycott did more bad than good for their cause. If Bush continues to drag his feet on this issue look for the Democrats to take control of the House and Senate, and a Democrat elected POTUS. Folks are fed up on both sides of the fence. I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual mature, experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party. Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time. If the Democrats would had actually put up a real contender they would have won in '04. Let's hope some decent candidates on both sides of the fence emerge for '08. |
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