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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:08:34 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot.
Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have
any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top
of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more
illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding
of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any.
It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have
compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing
folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about
to
lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of
a
blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't
seen any of those 'specials' in a long time.

It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country
by
reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated.

If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry)
going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an
hour!"
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John H

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Heck, we pay my son $20 each time he cuts the grass. It takes him about 1
hour, maybe longer if he bags it. He does not trim though....my wife does
that.

You are getting one hell of a deal if you have someone cutting your grass
for $8/hour. Professional service around here (they are in and out in 1/2
hour) is anywhere from $40 to $50 a pop.

The amount wasn't the point.
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'Til next time,

John H

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If you were talking figuratively then I apologize for misunderstanding
(there is that darn apology again!).

So, are you paying only $8/hour for lawn care? If so, I need the guys name.
;-)

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual mature,
experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party.
Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time.


Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative.
John H


This could be true. I want someone who's successfully run a business. Maybe
we should change the requirements for presidential candidates. No business
experience, go away.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature,
experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party.
Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time.


Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative.
John H


This could be true. I want someone who's successfully run a business.
Maybe we should change the requirements for presidential candidates. No
business experience, go away.


Oh no.......here comes Ross Perot again.........

No more charts............no more charts...........please!!!!!

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more
illegals into
the country?
John H

Ah....the recorded response.

I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only to
find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed,
or they were just plain fired???



I am looking forward to the day in the next 2-1/2 years when millions
of people in this country, legal immigrations, illegal immigrants,
native born citizens, and others, join together peacefully for a week
of national boycott, and shut the whole damned country down.

It may not come to pass, and probably won't, but it would be
delightful.

Delightful? Delightful? Come on Harry, how could anyone take pleasure
in something like that?

I believe the boycott did more bad than good for their cause.

If Bush continues to drag his feet on this issue look for the Democrats
to take control of the House and Senate, and a Democrat elected POTUS.

Folks are fed up on both sides of the fence.


I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature, experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which
party. Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next
time.


If the Democrats would had actually put up a real contender they would
have won in '04.

Let's hope some decent candidates on both sides of the fence emerge for
'08.


It's interesting that when faced with a bumbling idiot who ran a failed oil
business and left the investors holding the bag, and Kerry, who was as
exciting as white bread soaked in water, the 54% chose the bumbling idiot.
This doesn't give me much faith in the democratic system. Some young female
voters gave truly stupid reasons for choosing Bush, like "he has cute ears".

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature,
experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party.
Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time.


Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative.
John H


This could be true. I want someone who's successfully run a business.
Maybe we should change the requirements for presidential candidates. No
business experience, go away.


Oh no.......here comes Ross Perot again.........

No more charts............no more charts...........please!!!!!


Your failure with understanding stats is hopefully not indicative of a
manager's success.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more
illegals into
the country?
John H

Ah....the recorded response.

I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only
to
find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed,
or they were just plain fired???



I am looking forward to the day in the next 2-1/2 years when millions
of people in this country, legal immigrations, illegal immigrants,
native born citizens, and others, join together peacefully for a week
of national boycott, and shut the whole damned country down.

It may not come to pass, and probably won't, but it would be
delightful.

Delightful? Delightful? Come on Harry, how could anyone take pleasure
in something like that?

I believe the boycott did more bad than good for their cause.

If Bush continues to drag his feet on this issue look for the Democrats
to take control of the House and Senate, and a Democrat elected POTUS.

Folks are fed up on both sides of the fence.


I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature, experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which
party. Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next
time.


If the Democrats would had actually put up a real contender they would
have won in '04.

Let's hope some decent candidates on both sides of the fence emerge for
'08.


It's interesting that when faced with a bumbling idiot who ran a failed
oil business and left the investors holding the bag, and Kerry, who was as
exciting as white bread soaked in water, the 54% chose the bumbling idiot.
This doesn't give me much faith in the democratic system. Some young
female voters gave truly stupid reasons for choosing Bush, like "he has
cute ears".


As there were stupid reasons for folks voting for Kerry including the fact
that he has "nice hair".

Run him again or Clinton and the Dems lost, regardless of what Bush does to
screw up the chances of the future Republican running.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature,
experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party.
Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time.


Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative.
John H


This could be true. I want someone who's successfully run a business.
Maybe we should change the requirements for presidential candidates. No
business experience, go away.


Oh no.......here comes Ross Perot again.........

No more charts............no more charts...........please!!!!!


Your failure with understanding stats is hopefully not indicative of a
manager's success.


Oh I understand charts and statistics...........it was just done to an
extreme by Perot.

His solution to fix a problem....... "just open the hood and fix
it"...................it was as simple as that. ;-)

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
m...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think people would be happy with ANY president who was an actual
mature,
experienced manager with balls and brains. Doesn't matter which party.
Hopefully, the 54% will not be so careless with their vote next time.


Hopefully they'll have a decent alternative.
John H


This could be true. I want someone who's successfully run a business.
Maybe we should change the requirements for presidential candidates. No
business experience, go away.


Oh no.......here comes Ross Perot again.........

No more charts............no more charts...........please!!!!!


Your failure with understanding stats is hopefully not indicative of a
manager's success.


Oh I understand charts and statistics...........it was just done to an
extreme by Perot.

His solution to fix a problem....... "just open the hood and fix
it"...................it was as simple as that. ;-)


Well, he *did* get some people out of Iran.

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"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
.8...
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.


Harry said no such thing, and you know it. However, your theory is a
commonly held one in certain circles.

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On Thu, 04 May 2006 09:51:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

There *is* room! It helps if one takes the necessary steps to get a ticket.

You signed out yesterday without addressing my post to you.
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'Til next time,

John H

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On Thu, 04 May 2006 14:38:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
2.8...
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.


Harry said no such thing, and you know it. However, your theory is a
commonly held one in certain circles.



Good morning Doug!

Yesterday, when I responded to your question about the Race for the Cure
website, I forgot to mention an offer I believe I made to you earlier, but
which you may have missed.

Up to the amount of the goal, I will match on a two for one basis your
contribution.

http://www.active.com/donate/varace4cure/RacingforRenee
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John H

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On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.


If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.

Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.

If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.

Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas you
chose to get educated?

They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies. Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government should
give them every year?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:

You wrote:


Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:

You wrote:


JimH wrote:

If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.

If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.

Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.


Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas you
chose to get educated?

They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies. Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government should
give them every year?
--
'Til next time,

John H


Funny you should mention that. A few years ago certain interest groups
were pushing our govt hard for a guaranteed annual income....and it
wasn't all that modest.

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On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:55:58 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area in a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and had no
choice in the matter.



They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies. Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took the
same sort of crap jobs.



Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government should
give them every year?
--
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them in
the same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get
needed prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and
provide convenient adult education services to help them learn English,
US skills, and ways to get better job training and skills.

You omitted the answer to the legal vs illegal question. If they're
illegal, which they must be, then we should send them home.

If they're legal immigrants, then I'd wonder under what program they got
here.

Based on what I've seen so far, you'd open all borders to any nation and
then put the burden on US citizens to provide health care, education, job
training, and child care. Perhaps we should provide free transportation to
this country also?

When I walk by a couple houses in my neighborhood, I see anywhere from six
to ten automobiles parked in the street, driveway, and yard. Have you ever
wondered what effect 12 million illegal immigrants have had on the demand
for fuel in this country?

You've said that these immigrants were not much different from your
grandparents. Did your grandparents get medical insurance, child care,
English education and job training? Mine sure as hell didn't, and they
spoke Dutch!

Free English instruction is provided at many churches in my area, including
the one we attend. The turnout is extremely poor, and there is not even a
requirement that they belong to the church.

BTW, I'll still *triple* your donation!

http://www.active.com/donate/varace4cure/RacingforRenee
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Don White wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:

You wrote:


Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:

You wrote:


JimH wrote:

If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.

If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.

Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.


Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas you
chose to get educated?

They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies. Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government should
give them every year?
--
'Til next time,

John H


Funny you should mention that. A few years ago certain interest groups
were pushing our govt hard for a guaranteed annual income....and it
wasn't all that modest.

How much money did they want your government to dole out, and why wasn't it
passed? Hell, I thought you Canadians were most 'progressive'.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room
for everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible
for everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your
goal is to bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting
others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a
brain scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks,
Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying
me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the
family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas
you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area in a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and had no
choice in the matter.

So if you are poor and in a rural areas of the country where "not much
education is afforded" you cannot go to college and succeed in life?





They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies.
Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took the
same sort of crap jobs.

But they went on to make the best of it.........right? Did they boycott?
Did they demand that the national language be changed to theirs? Did they
come here to take advantage of our system?





Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government
should
give them every year? --
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them in the
same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get needed
prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and provide
convenient adult education services to help them learn English, US skills,
and ways to get better job training and skills.


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Don White wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



JohnH wrote:


On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:


You wrote:



Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:


You wrote:



JimH wrote:


If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?

No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible for
everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your goal is to
bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting others up to his.

If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a brain
scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.

Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks, Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.


Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas you
chose to get educated?

They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies. Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government should
give them every year?
--
'Til next time,

John H


Funny you should mention that. A few years ago certain interest groups
were pushing our govt hard for a guaranteed annual income....and it
wasn't all that modest.


How much money did they want your government to dole out, and why wasn't it
passed? Hell, I thought you Canadians were most 'progressive'.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

I believe mid to high $20's. This idea was kicking around for years. I
remember about 15 years ago, I determined I could make almost as much
take home pay (few if any deductions) as my union job paid (with
numerous deductions) at the time.

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

NOYB wrote:

And all despite the escalating fuel costs. The economy is apparently
stronger than some would like us to believe. Imagine if fuel was back down
to $2/gallon!

Yea..... maybe the rest of us who work for a living would be able to
afford to go boating.
Sounds as though ya gota be rich to own a yacht nowdays.

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his ability, to each
according to his need"

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:42:53 -0400, JimH wrote:


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Yeah, right. It's that easy to evade the taxman? Unless they are
self-employed, where do you think all the illegal's withholding taxes end
up? Then there is the Social Security Ponzi scheme:

http://www.immigrationforum.org/Desk...aspx?tabid=724

And remember, illegals do not get to collect.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=business

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Harry Krause wrote:
P. Fritz wrote:

"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his ability, to
each according to his need"



Idiot boy Fritz is back.


Our loss!

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room
for everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is impossible
for everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your
goal is to bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting
others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a
brain scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks,
Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is annoying
me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at 9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky, one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the
family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas
you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area in a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and had no
choice in the matter.

So if you are poor and in a rural areas of the country where "not much
education is afforded" you cannot go to college and succeed in life?





They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies.
Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took the
same sort of crap jobs.

But they went on to make the best of it.........right? Did they boycott?
Did they demand that the national language be changed to theirs? Did they
come here to take advantage of our system?





Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government
should
give them every year? --
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them in the
same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get needed
prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and provide
convenient adult education services to help them learn English, US skills,
and ways to get better job training and skills.


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Jim, if you think that every person in the U.S. has the same
opportunities to go to college, you're insane! Take rural Kentucky for
example. There was a documentary that I saw, this coal miner's kid
trying to succeed. Well, he was trying to finish high school, so that
he could get into a local junior college. Poor mother worked her butt
off as a motel maid, father disabled with black lung. Not much
insurance, bills piling up. The kid had to go to work to help support
his family. He worked at the local burger joint, while trying to stay
in school. He ended up having to quit, to make enough money to make
ends meet.
Do you think that kid had the same chance as a wealthy person's kid?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as
Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room
for everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is
impossible
for everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your
goal is to bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting
others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a
brain scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks,
Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is
annoying
me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at
9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his
front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am
not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical
leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my
way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health
insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a
week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to
take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic
condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky,
one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And
every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the
train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or
difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their
kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the
family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help
them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas
you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area in
a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and had
no
choice in the matter.

So if you are poor and in a rural areas of the country where "not much
education is afforded" you cannot go to college and succeed in life?





They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies.
Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your
grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took
the
same sort of crap jobs.

But they went on to make the best of it.........right? Did they boycott?
Did they demand that the national language be changed to theirs? Did
they
come here to take advantage of our system?





Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government
should
give them every year? --
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them in
the
same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get
needed
prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and provide
convenient adult education services to help them learn English, US
skills,
and ways to get better job training and skills.


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Jim, if you think that every person in the U.S. has the same
opportunities to go to college, you're insane!


Remind me again where I said that.

Take rural Kentucky for
example. There was a documentary that I saw, this coal miner's kid
trying to succeed. Well, he was trying to finish high school, so that
he could get into a local junior college. Poor mother worked her butt
off as a motel maid, father disabled with black lung. Not much
insurance, bills piling up. The kid had to go to work to help support
his family. He worked at the local burger joint, while trying to stay
in school. He ended up having to quit, to make enough money to make
ends meet.
Do you think that kid had the same chance as a wealthy person's kid?



Nope and I never said or inferred that. But that kid can make it happen.
It all depends on whether or not he wants it enough. ;-)

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Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Bassy,
I like both dentist and chiropractors, in my opinion they do more to solve
medical problems than most Dr.'s. The medical profession is no longer
working to solve health issues, they are working to the insurance rules so
they can get paid.

Oh, I've got both a great dentist, and a great chiropractor. The
dentist doesn't try to fleece me as most do. He gives me the best bang
for my buck, as he calls it. Look at surveys about people's perceptions
of dentists. They reflect the same as what I'm saying about MOST
dentists. Same with a lot of chiropractors, they'll have you coming
back every week. Mine tells me "see you next time your sciatica acts
up."

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JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as
Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room
for everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is
impossible
for everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course, your
goal is to bring Gates down to others' level rather than lifting
others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for a
brain scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks,
Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is
annoying
me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at
9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his
front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am
not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical
leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on my
way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train, so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health
insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a
week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to
take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic
condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really lucky,
one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And
every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train, so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the
train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or
difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their
kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the
family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to help
them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same. Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated, whereas
you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area in
a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and had
no
choice in the matter.

So if you are poor and in a rural areas of the country where "not much
education is afforded" you cannot go to college and succeed in life?





They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making babies.
Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your
grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took
the
same sort of crap jobs.

But they went on to make the best of it.........right? Did they boycott?
Did they demand that the national language be changed to theirs? Did
they
come here to take advantage of our system?





Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government
should
give them every year? --
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them in
the
same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get
needed
prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and provide
convenient adult education services to help them learn English, US
skills,
and ways to get better job training and skills.


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Jim, if you think that every person in the U.S. has the same
opportunities to go to college, you're insane!


Remind me again where I said that.

Take rural Kentucky for
example. There was a documentary that I saw, this coal miner's kid
trying to succeed. Well, he was trying to finish high school, so that
he could get into a local junior college. Poor mother worked her butt
off as a motel maid, father disabled with black lung. Not much
insurance, bills piling up. The kid had to go to work to help support
his family. He worked at the local burger joint, while trying to stay
in school. He ended up having to quit, to make enough money to make
ends meet.
Do you think that kid had the same chance as a wealthy person's kid?



Nope and I never said or inferred that. But that kid can make it happen.
It all depends on whether or not he wants it enough. ;-)

Really? You never said that people "chose their destiny"?

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On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:31:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his ability, to each
according to his need"



Idiot boy Fritz is back.

Name-calling seems to be the best you can do, Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:19 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:
You wrote:

JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.
If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as
Bill
Gates?
Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving
the
snail darter than something as tawdry as money?
No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is
room
for everyone on the train leading to it.
Such a statement contradicts Mr. Bass Kisser, since it is
impossible
for everyone to be as rich as Bill Gates. Unless of course,
your
goal is to bring Gates down to others' level rather than
lifting
others up to his.
If this really is how you think, then you ought to check it for
a
brain scan, because your synapses aren't firing properly.
Why not explain your position, rather than make personal attacks,
Harry?

Or, has your position already been run off the tracks?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's a simple concept, and shouldn't need any explanation.

Let's put it in terms of something even simpler.

Let's say I have to see a doctor because of a symptom that is
annoying
me.

He accommodates me the next day, at 9:30 AM.

Instead of going to work that morning, I show up at his office at
9:15
AM. I am shown in at 9:35, he checks me out, writes an Rx, and his
front
office calls it in for me.

I pay my $10 co-pay, am on the road, and am at work at 10:30. I am
not
docked a nickel, nor do I have to put in for any sort of medical
leave.
On the way home, I pick up my Rx, pay the $10 co-pay and I am on
my
way.

Mrs. Immigrant from Mexico, who is trying to get aboard the train,
so
far has only been able to wangle a job at Wal-Mart. Her employer,
despite the claims in its TV commercials, provides no health
insurance.
She calls the doctor on her lunch period. Her doctor handles
mostly
indigients and the office says she can't been seen for at least a
week,
and at 1:30 in the afternoon. To get there, she'll have to take
two
buses and leave at 8 AM. She has to take an entire day off from
work,
and receives no pay for that day.

The doctor tells her she has a condition that will require her to
take
two different prescriptions a day because she has a chronic
condition.
The two meds will cost her $357 a month or, if she is really
lucky,
one
of them may be on a list an Rx manufacturer provides at little or
no
cost for indigent patients. But she has to see her doctor every
two
months for a renewal. Another day of pay lost.

She has one child at home. Day care. Fortunately, her husband also
works, though at low wages, and they struggle. And struggle. And
every
time they seem to get a bit ahead, they get hit with something
else.

These hard-working people need a little help getting on the train,
so
they can travel on the road to success. If we don't slow down the
train
a little and help them climb aboard, they may never make. They
need a
better way to get health care, one that isn't so expensive or
difficult
to get to or that costs her a day of wages.

Because if they don't make it, we don't make it.

We're not talking riches here. We're talking a reasonable life
style,
with some sort of decent future for hard working people and their
kids
and, in this case, a reasonable way to access medical care for the
family.

I sure as hell don't mind helping them. Money spent on them to
help
them
along is surely better than pouring money into the cesspool of
Iraq.
We've got to make room on the train for these folks.

Harry, you make it sound as though your backgrounds were the same.
Did
these immigrants (illegal, I assume), have a high school education,
followed by some college? Did they choose not to get educated,
whereas
you
chose to get educated?


Did they choose to not get educated? No, they lived in a rural area
in
a
country where not much education was afforded. They were poor and
had
no
choice in the matter.

So if you are poor and in a rural areas of the country where "not much
education is afforded" you cannot go to college and succeed in life?





They're on the brink of financial disaster, yet they're making
babies.
Wise
choice? What's different between these immigrants and your
grandparents?

They're Catholic. Devoit.

Not much. My grandparents were dirt poor when they got here and took
the
same sort of crap jobs.

But they went on to make the best of it.........right? Did they
boycott?
Did they demand that the national language be changed to theirs? Did
they
come here to take advantage of our system?





Just for the hell of it, how much money do you think the government
should
give them every year? --
'Til next time,


I think we should give them a medical insurance card that gets them
in
the
same queue as people with medical insurance, and allows them to get
needed
prescriptions for no cost to them or a minimal co-pay, and provide
convenient adult education services to help them learn English, US
skills,
and ways to get better job training and skills.


Free insurance, free education.......just for illegally coming here
and
paying no taxes. What a deal!

Jim, if you think that every person in the U.S. has the same
opportunities to go to college, you're insane!


Remind me again where I said that.

Take rural Kentucky for
example. There was a documentary that I saw, this coal miner's kid
trying to succeed. Well, he was trying to finish high school, so that
he could get into a local junior college. Poor mother worked her butt
off as a motel maid, father disabled with black lung. Not much
insurance, bills piling up. The kid had to go to work to help support
his family. He worked at the local burger joint, while trying to stay
in school. He ended up having to quit, to make enough money to make
ends meet.
Do you think that kid had the same chance as a wealthy person's kid?



Nope and I never said or inferred that. But that kid can make it happen.
It all depends on whether or not he wants it enough. ;-)

Really? You never said that people "chose their destiny"?


Sigh Sorry Bassy but sometimes discussing things with you is like doing
so with a brick wall.

Have a nice weekend.

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On Fri, 05 May 2006 16:33:24 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:31:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his ability, to each
according to his need"


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

Name-calling seems to be the best you can do, Harry!


Idiot boy Fritz isn't worth any more than that.

I'm sure you gave it your best shot, Harry.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Harry Krause wrote:
Ignatius Thistlewhite wrote:

You wrote:

JimH wrote:

If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as Bill
Gates?


Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No.

The liberal concept of success involves making sure there is room for
everyone on the train leading to it.

Where did you read that?

Big Boat Business Has Been Brisk
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 May 2006 16:33:24 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:31:23 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich as
Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in saving the
snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his ability, to
each
according to his need"


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

Name-calling seems to be the best you can do, Harry!


Idiot boy Fritz isn't worth any more than that.

I'm sure you gave it your best shot, Harry.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.



******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Harry Krause wrote:
P. Fritz wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 May 2006 16:33:24 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:31:23 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
. 8...
You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as rich
as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in
saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his
ability, to each
according to his need"


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

Name-calling seems to be the best you can do, Harry!


Idiot boy Fritz isn't worth any more than that.

I'm sure you gave it your best shot, Harry.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the
follow up by Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's
ass.



Idiot boy Fritz is back.

There he goes again!
That Frizzle sure has a fetish for the male buttocks.
Wonder if he can get help for that?

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On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


John, folks that wanted to donate have done so. You have collected over
$3,000 in donations. Why not leave it at that and stop pestering folks for
more. ;-)

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On Sat, 6 May 2006 16:41:50 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


John, folks that wanted to donate have done so. You have collected over
$3,000 in donations. Why not leave it at that and stop pestering folks for
more. ;-)


Why don't you just kill file me. Harry is plenty capable of sending his own
messages. If he tells me he doesn't want to contribute, he'll hear nothing
more from me.

(Personally, I think he's holding out for *quadruple*.)
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 May 2006 16:41:50 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


John, folks that wanted to donate have done so. You have collected over
$3,000 in donations. Why not leave it at that and stop pestering folks
for
more. ;-)


Why don't you just kill file me. Harry is plenty capable of sending his
own
messages. If he tells me he doesn't want to contribute, he'll hear nothing
more from me.

(Personally, I think he's holding out for *quadruple*.)
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Naw, I won't killfile you John. I am just offering some friendly advice
that badgering folks for donations is not the way to go. Accept what
donations you received and give it up already.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

That is just a typical response from harry when confronted with the truth.





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******************************************

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On Sat, 6 May 2006 17:11:06 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 6 May 2006 16:41:50 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


John, folks that wanted to donate have done so. You have collected over
$3,000 in donations. Why not leave it at that and stop pestering folks
for
more. ;-)


Why don't you just kill file me. Harry is plenty capable of sending his
own
messages. If he tells me he doesn't want to contribute, he'll hear nothing
more from me.

(Personally, I think he's holding out for *quadruple*.)
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Naw, I won't killfile you John. I am just offering some friendly advice
that badgering folks for donations is not the way to go. Accept what
donations you received and give it up already.


PLEASE kill file me! Put me with Doug and Reggie, both of whom can
communicate and not *continuously* try to start a ****ing contest.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 May 2006 17:11:06 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 May 2006 16:41:50 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:46:51 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:



Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name
calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the follow
up
by
Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's ass.


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

*Triple* Harry!
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John H

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John, folks that wanted to donate have done so. You have collected over
$3,000 in donations. Why not leave it at that and stop pestering folks
for
more. ;-)


Why don't you just kill file me. Harry is plenty capable of sending his
own
messages. If he tells me he doesn't want to contribute, he'll hear
nothing
more from me.

(Personally, I think he's holding out for *quadruple*.)
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Naw, I won't killfile you John. I am just offering some friendly advice
that badgering folks for donations is not the way to go. Accept what
donations you received and give it up already.


PLEASE kill file me! Put me with Doug and Reggie, both of whom can
communicate and not *continuously* try to start a ****ing contest.
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Like you are trying to do right now John? ;-)

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Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
P. Fritz wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 16:33:24 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:31:23 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
"Ignatius Thistlewhite" wrote in message
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You wrote:


JimH wrote:
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how
motivated the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

If that were REALLY the case, then why aren't you as
rich as Bill
Gates?

Isn't the liberal concept of "success" more rooted in
saving the snail
darter than something as tawdry as money?


No, it is................"from each according to his
ability, to each
according to his need"


Idiot boy Fritz is back.

Name-calling seems to be the best you can do, Harry!


Idiot boy Fritz isn't worth any more than that.

I'm sure you gave it your best shot, Harry.
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'Til next time,

John H

Just as ineviditable as death and taxes, is Harry with the petty
name calling when he can't respond, and just as inevitable is the
follow up by Don, like a little puppy, with his nose stuck up Harry's
ass.



Idiot boy Fritz is back.

There he goes again!
That Frizzle sure has a fetish for the male buttocks.
Wonder if he can get help for that?

Hey Don, do you ever post other than right after Harry?