Gould 0738 wrote:

Of course Al Qaida would love to say they caused the blackout. They are
terrorists and
need to have Americans in constant fear of them.

Regardless of whatever press Al Qaida puts out only a fool would believe they
were
responsible for the blackout.

Clear minded folks know the outage was due to mechanical failures and lack of
adequate
response by the engineers at several utility sites, most significantly sites
in Ohio
managed by First Energy.

But the libs would like you to believe otherwise as their only MO is to lay
as much
blame on GWB for anything and everything that goes wrong. They have a group
of
extremely weak candidates who bring nothing to the table this coming
election. Their
only chance of winning is to take down GWB regardless of the cost.

Pathetic.

Well, since this is your 4th of 5th post since we agreed not to harrass one
another I can assume that's off?

Have you considered that nobody has more to gain from a public perception that
terrorists caused the blackout than GWB and his administration? Why would
"libs" spread this rumor? Most of the truly objectionable policies put forward
by Bush and his group have been advanced under the excuse of "fighting
terrorism." The more terrorism the public perceives, the easier it will be to
pass Patriot Acts III, IV, V, VI, and so forth.

No liberal that I know is spreading the rumor that terrorists caused the
outage.
My own statement was the arrest of two Pakistani's on the do-not-fly list
trying to pay cash for one-way tickets to NYC the day before was most likely a
coincidence.

I have never heard anybody of any political bent blame GWB for the blackout.
YMMV

Given the aging electrical infrastructure and the high AC loads in the summer,
it's a wonder we haven't had more blackouts in the past.

Whew! I take back my earlier speculation. It did seem that you were
falling into the "terrorists caused the blackout" conspiracy camp.

Glad you cleared that up.

BTW, there have been "news" articles, from the typical propagandists,
who try to spin this blackout as yet another failure of the Bush
administration. It's truly pathetic, when you consider the depths that
these same people will go to attempt to sling mud at GWB. The only thing
they are succeeding in doing, is tarnishing their own credibility.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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BTW, there have been "news" articles, from the typical propagandists,
who try to spin this blackout as yet another failure of the Bush
administration.

I'd love to see those articles. Got any?

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


BTW, there have been "news" articles, from the typical propagandists,
who try to spin this blackout as yet another failure of the Bush
administration.

I'd love to see those articles. Got any?

You know how to use google, look them up. I'm not doing your homework
for you. Try using "Bush administration" "blackout" and "failure" as
keywords.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


BTW, there have been "news" articles, from the typical propagandists,
who try to spin this blackout as yet another failure of the Bush
administration.

I'd love to see those articles. Got any?

You know how to use google, look them up. I'm not doing your homework
for you. Try using "Bush administration" "blackout" and "failure" as
keywords.

Dave


OK...I see the problem here. In between "blackout" and "Bush", there is path
which winds too much for you to understand. Fortunately, we can straighten
the path so you won't hyperventilate:

1) Proven fact: Pollution from coal-burning electric generating plants in
the Midwest blows East, and ends up in NY, PA and New England. Chemists know
this because they've inserted tracers into fuel supplies and found those
same tracers downwind.

2) Proven fact: Among other things, the particulates include things like
mercury, which ends up in our water.

3) Politicians and electric companies from states like Ohio have STOPPED
claiming that #1 and #2 are untrue, and have switched to saying that it's
prohibitively expensive to install equipment which would drastically reduce
emissions.

4) Bush and his EPA are bending to the wishes of the parties mentioned in
#3, and allowing them to expand generating capacity without using technology
which would minimize the problems mentioned in #1 and #2.

5) Elliot Spitzer, NY's attorney general, is preparing to take the offending
parties to court before more damage is done.

I say Bush is hindering the production of sufficient electricity. You will
say Spitzer is the problem. Take your pick.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


BTW, there have been "news" articles, from the typical propagandists,
who try to spin this blackout as yet another failure of the Bush
administration.

I'd love to see those articles. Got any?

You know how to use google, look them up. I'm not doing your homework
for you. Try using "Bush administration" "blackout" and "failure" as
keywords.

Dave


OK...I see the problem here. In between "blackout" and "Bush", there is path
which winds too much for you to understand. Fortunately, we can straighten
the path so you won't hyperventilate:

1) Proven fact: Pollution from coal-burning electric generating plants in
the Midwest blows East, and ends up in NY, PA and New England. Chemists know
this because they've inserted tracers into fuel supplies and found those
same tracers downwind.

2) Proven fact: Among other things, the particulates include things like
mercury, which ends up in our water.

3) Politicians and electric companies from states like Ohio have STOPPED
claiming that #1 and #2 are untrue, and have switched to saying that it's
prohibitively expensive to install equipment which would drastically reduce
emissions.

4) Bush and his EPA are bending to the wishes of the parties mentioned in
#3, and allowing them to expand generating capacity without using technology
which would minimize the problems mentioned in #1 and #2.

5) Elliot Spitzer, NY's attorney general, is preparing to take the offending
parties to court before more damage is done.

I say Bush is hindering the production of sufficient electricity. You will
say Spitzer is the problem. Take your pick.


Ah! So you admit that people ARE blaming the blackout on the Bush
Administration, which you challenged me to find the proof of. Now you
want to spin it as "well yea, Bush is responsible, and here's why".
Nevermind that trhe issue of pollution and other conditions have been in
place isince the late 1970's and through several presidents in the
meantime.

But let me ask a question of pure logic; how is Bush, by "bending to the
wishes of the electric industry", making it harder to make electricity?
It would seem that if the electric companies are citing EPA regulations
as being too costly to comply with, as the excuse for the sorry state
that they are in, that Bush's sympathetic position would make it easier
for them to fix their problems. So tell me again how this is Bush's
fault?

Dave