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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill We do things backwards. Fact: When we widen or build new highways from major urban centers, we make sprawl worse. So, we end up with cities like NY & Boston which are surrounded by dense suburbs. In many cases, the population hasn't grown, either. It's just relocated. In places like this, trains are ideal. Cost is subjective, I guess. It certainly makes no sense to NOT build light rail systems if only SOME people think it's expensive. Lots of people in big cities feel no need to own a car. |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill We do things backwards. Fact: When we widen or build new highways from major urban centers, we make sprawl worse. So, we end up with cities like NY & Boston which are surrounded by dense suburbs. In many cases, the population hasn't grown, either. It's just relocated. In places like this, trains are ideal. Cost is subjective, I guess. It certainly makes no sense to NOT build light rail systems if only SOME people think it's expensive. Lots of people in big cities feel no need to own a car. Do not know if it still true. Used to be 50% of the population of the USA lived within 500 miles of Cleavland, OH. Includes Boston / NYC. Very good to have mass transit in this situation. Problem with most new Mass transit, is the Politics and Union required laws. Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. To run BART the extra 7 miles is projected to run $900 million to $1.5 billion! It is an above ground light rail. No tunnels required. Where do these costs come from? Even figuring in another train does not add up. Also, if the job could be done wrong BART did it. Non-standard guage railways. Wrong frequency and voltage for signaling the train as they did not want to pay the railroads for the right to use there system. So we spent anothor 100 million or so and still lost trains. A high tech fare system that costs more to monitor than the extra money a simple ticket or token for anywhere in the system ala Paris / London / NYC costs. Bill |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
Calif Bill wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill We do things backwards. Fact: When we widen or build new highways from major urban centers, we make sprawl worse. So, we end up with cities like NY & Boston which are surrounded by dense suburbs. In many cases, the population hasn't grown, either. It's just relocated. In places like this, trains are ideal. Cost is subjective, I guess. It certainly makes no sense to NOT build light rail systems if only SOME people think it's expensive. Lots of people in big cities feel no need to own a car. Do not know if it still true. Used to be 50% of the population of the USA lived within 500 miles of Cleavland, OH. Includes Boston / NYC. Very good to have mass transit in this situation. Problem with most new Mass transit, is the Politics and Union required laws. Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. To run BART the extra 7 miles is projected to run $900 million to $1.5 billion! It is an above ground light rail. No tunnels required. Where do these costs come from? Even figuring in another train does not add up. Also, if the job could be done wrong BART did it. Non-standard guage railways. Wrong frequency and voltage for signaling the train as they did not want to pay the railroads for the right to use there system. So we spent anothor 100 million or so and still lost trains. A high tech fare system that costs more to monitor than the extra money a simple ticket or token for anywhere in the system ala Paris / London / NYC costs. Bill Ahh, yes...those pesky union contracts that call for decent wages, hours and working conditions. Perhaps, Bill, you could hire a labor contractor from India who would hire some daytrippers to run your trains. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:50:12 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: [snip] Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. We should be nicer to each other, Bill, seeing as how we're neighbors! Joe Parsons Dublin, CA |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill We do things backwards. Fact: When we widen or build new highways from major urban centers, we make sprawl worse. So, we end up with cities like NY & Boston which are surrounded by dense suburbs. In many cases, the population hasn't grown, either. It's just relocated. In places like this, trains are ideal. Cost is subjective, I guess. It certainly makes no sense to NOT build light rail systems if only SOME people think it's expensive. Lots of people in big cities feel no need to own a car. Do not know if it still true. Used to be 50% of the population of the USA lived within 500 miles of Cleavland, OH. Includes Boston / NYC. Very good to have mass transit in this situation. Problem with most new Mass transit, is the Politics and Union required laws. Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. To run BART the extra 7 miles is projected to run $900 million to $1.5 billion! It is an above ground light rail. No tunnels required. Where do these costs come from? Even figuring in another train does not add up. Also, if the job could be done wrong BART did it. Non-standard guage railways. Wrong frequency and voltage for signaling the train as they did not want to pay the railroads for the right to use there system. So we spent anothor 100 million or so and still lost trains. A high tech fare system that costs more to monitor than the extra money a simple ticket or token for anywhere in the system ala Paris / London / NYC costs. Bill Ahh, yes...those pesky union contracts that call for decent wages, hours and working conditions. Perhaps, Bill, you could hire a labor contractor from India who would hire some daytrippers to run your trains. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. In this state, the present governor and his legislature have sold out to the unions. Make rules that raise the price of construction on public contracts sky high. Pay levels higher than 95% of jobs requiring a college education. Bill |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
"Joe Parsons" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:50:12 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: [snip] Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. We should be nicer to each other, Bill, seeing as how we're neighbors! Joe Parsons Dublin, CA And we share a BART station. Was in Dublin today at Finish Masters looking for touchup paint for the boat. Bill |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:01:50 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Joe Parsons" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:50:12 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: [snip] Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. We should be nicer to each other, Bill, seeing as how we're neighbors! Joe Parsons Dublin, CA And we share a BART station. Was in Dublin today at Finish Masters looking for touchup paint for the boat. Bill Pick some up for me, wouldja? Four Winns, maroon. Joe Parsons |
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OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Trains already work very nicely for New York and Boston, not to mention virtually ALL of Europe. Most of Europe is very densely populated relative to the land mass. Not a lot of suburbs as we think of them. So you can run trains between the major population centers and mass transit in the city then works. Paris is also cheap to travel around in their subway. A Carnet (10 tickets is about $8) Each ticket is good for any place in the central area of paris. Change trains just like the NY subway and as long as you do not leave the station, you get to travel for 1 ticket. Out local mass transit, BART, costs a minimum of $1.50 for one station and to go about 30 miles is $5.10. Way to expensive, and the connecting busses take for ever to get point A to B. Bill We do things backwards. Fact: When we widen or build new highways from major urban centers, we make sprawl worse. So, we end up with cities like NY & Boston which are surrounded by dense suburbs. In many cases, the population hasn't grown, either. It's just relocated. In places like this, trains are ideal. Cost is subjective, I guess. It certainly makes no sense to NOT build light rail systems if only SOME people think it's expensive. Lots of people in big cities feel no need to own a car. Do not know if it still true. Used to be 50% of the population of the USA lived within 500 miles of Cleavland, OH. Includes Boston / NYC. Very good to have mass transit in this situation. Problem with most new Mass transit, is the Politics and Union required laws. Bart ends in my town. Livermore, Calif is 7 miles away, and has also been paying BART taxes since 1957. To run BART the extra 7 miles is projected to run $900 million to $1.5 billion! It is an above ground light rail. No tunnels required. Where do these costs come from? Even figuring in another train does not add up. Also, if the job could be done wrong BART did it. Non-standard guage railways. Wrong frequency and voltage for signaling the train as they did not want to pay the railroads for the right to use there system. So we spent anothor 100 million or so and still lost trains. A high tech fare system that costs more to monitor than the extra money a simple ticket or token for anywhere in the system ala Paris / London / NYC costs. Bill Ahh, yes...those pesky union contracts that call for decent wages, hours and working conditions. Perhaps, Bill, you could hire a labor contractor from India who would hire some daytrippers to run your trains. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. In this state, the present governor and his legislature have sold out to the unions. Make rules that raise the price of construction on public contracts sky high. Pay levels higher than 95% of jobs requiring a college education. Bill Well, many construction jobs do require skill, Bill. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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