JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:52:34 GMT, Jim wrote:


Doug Kanter wrote:


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JohnH wrote:


I think he should be isolated in a small cage and left there until he
dies.
No martyrdom for him.
--

My relatively rare OT comment, sorry.

Unless he committed a capital crime under common definition, as
reprehensible as the ******* is we should not put him to death. The
prosecution seems to be making a case that
"failure to act" to prevent 9-11 is a capital offense. (If some far out
wack job conspiracy theorists were ever proven correct, that legal
precedent could have some dire and unexpected consequences).


Would we be better off to stick him in a typical state prison, and make sure
every other prisoner knows exactly who he is?



Exactly who is he?

He'd be better off in the mental health system.


As long as he's isolated. They can put his box anywhere. Would you have put
the other 19 in 'the mental health system'?
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The "other" 19 were actually involved in the crime.

JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:32:04 GMT, Jim wrote:


I expected an argument. Instead, I receive support for my point.

I can't help but notice that some of my friends who were so strong in
their support for Bush a year ago are starting to make statements that I
agree with.

Maybe critical thinking is making a come-back.


Why the attempt to make the discussion political?
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The discussion IS political.

If politics weren't involved, common sense would take over.

JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:32:04 GMT, Jim wrote:


I expected an argument. Instead, I receive support for my point.

I can't help but notice that some of my friends who were so strong in
their support for Bush a year ago are starting to make statements that I
agree with.

Maybe critical thinking is making a come-back.


Why the attempt to make the discussion political?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Everything going on here involves politics.

You are right, though. I was trying to make the point that the energy
seems to be moving away from what we were all sold in the last 5 years.

I know that political views, like religious, is based on long held
beliefs, reality takes a back seat sometimes. While this has no point
in a boating group, this thread is hopelessly mired in belief instead of
logic.

I could not read all the mis-placed anger with out trying to see if
everyone really thought that way.

wrote in message
oups.com...

JohnH wrote:
I think he should be isolated in a small cage and left there until he
dies.
No martyrdom for him.
--

My relatively rare OT comment, sorry.

Unless he committed a capital crime under common definition, as
reprehensible as the ******* is we should not put him to death. The
prosecution seems to be making a case that
"failure to act" to prevent 9-11 is a capital offense. (If some far out
wack job conspiracy theorists were ever proven correct, that legal
precedent could have some dire and unexpected consequences).

Sometimes I think too far outside the box. My fear with this case is
that we will wind up killing a man not for a crime that he committed,
but for a crime that he would have committed if he were not arrested
first. Does this open the door for executing anybody
planning a murder? If the police just happen to catch the would be
murderer before he or she can carry out the plan- should they be put to
death anyway? Setting off on a course where we kill people not for what
they did but for what they *thought* about doing is just a baby step
short of simply killing people for harboring certain "politically
incorrect" thoughts or opinions. We can't go there and still be the
USA.

As far as I know, conspiracy to commit murder is not a capital crime.
Give this ******* the maximum allowable term for each of the 3,0000
victimes on 9-11 with no possibiilty of parole. Should be abut 30,000
years. That's justice. I think the Constitution has to be observed and
defended, even when it stands in the way of exacting revenge for one of
the most tragic incidents in American history.

Will now surrender the soap box........


This guy is of the same breed that beheads innocent civilians and sends the
video to be broadcast world-wide. He's of the same breed that drags
(hopefully) dead foreigners through the streets of his hometown to make some
kind of public statement. He's a sworn enemy and has made a sacred vow to
kill as many of us as he can.

Castrate the sucker so he can't enjoy his 72 virgins, then fry his ass.

RCE

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:45:00 GMT, Jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:52:34 GMT, Jim wrote:


Doug Kanter wrote:


wrote in message
legroups.com...


JohnH wrote:


I think he should be isolated in a small cage and left there until he
dies.
No martyrdom for him.
--

My relatively rare OT comment, sorry.

Unless he committed a capital crime under common definition, as
reprehensible as the ******* is we should not put him to death. The
prosecution seems to be making a case that
"failure to act" to prevent 9-11 is a capital offense. (If some far out
wack job conspiracy theorists were ever proven correct, that legal
precedent could have some dire and unexpected consequences).


Would we be better off to stick him in a typical state prison, and make sure
every other prisoner knows exactly who he is?



Exactly who is he?

He'd be better off in the mental health system.


As long as he's isolated. They can put his box anywhere. Would you have put
the other 19 in 'the mental health system'?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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The "other" 19 were actually involved in the crime.


So that makes them 'mentally stable'?
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John H

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:46 GMT, Jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:32:04 GMT, Jim wrote:


I expected an argument. Instead, I receive support for my point.

I can't help but notice that some of my friends who were so strong in
their support for Bush a year ago are starting to make statements that I
agree with.

Maybe critical thinking is making a come-back.


Why the attempt to make the discussion political?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Everything going on here involves politics.

You are right, though. I was trying to make the point that the energy
seems to be moving away from what we were all sold in the last 5 years.

I know that political views, like religious, is based on long held
beliefs, reality takes a back seat sometimes. While this has no point
in a boating group, this thread is hopelessly mired in belief instead of
logic.

I could not read all the mis-placed anger with out trying to see if
everyone really thought that way.

A discussion of the possible punishment for a terrorist is not, in and of
itself, political.

A discussion of photography is not political.

A discussion on the best way to catch stripers is not political.

etc., etc., etc.

It's simply not true that everything going on here involves politics.
--
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John H

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JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:45:00 GMT, Jim wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:52:34 GMT, Jim wrote:



Doug Kanter wrote:



wrote in message
glegroups.com...



JohnH wrote:



I think he should be isolated in a small cage and left there until he
dies.
No martyrdom for him.
--

My relatively rare OT comment, sorry.

Unless he committed a capital crime under common definition, as
reprehensible as the ******* is we should not put him to death. The
prosecution seems to be making a case that
"failure to act" to prevent 9-11 is a capital offense. (If some far out
wack job conspiracy theorists were ever proven correct, that legal
precedent could have some dire and unexpected consequences).


Would we be better off to stick him in a typical state prison, and make sure
every other prisoner knows exactly who he is?



Exactly who is he?

He'd be better off in the mental health system.


As long as he's isolated. They can put his box anywhere. Would you have put
the other 19 in 'the mental health system'?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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The "other" 19 were actually involved in the crime.



So that makes them 'mentally stable'?
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'Til next time,

John H

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I should know better, but here goes:

The other 19 . . . have nothing to do with Mossaoui. He was NOT
involved in their actions.

JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:46 GMT, Jim wrote:


JohnH wrote:


On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:32:04 GMT, Jim wrote:



I expected an argument. Instead, I receive support for my point.

I can't help but notice that some of my friends who were so strong in
their support for Bush a year ago are starting to make statements that I
agree with.

Maybe critical thinking is making a come-back.


Why the attempt to make the discussion political?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Everything going on here involves politics.

You are right, though. I was trying to make the point that the energy
seems to be moving away from what we were all sold in the last 5 years.

I know that political views, like religious, is based on long held
beliefs, reality takes a back seat sometimes. While this has no point
in a boating group, this thread is hopelessly mired in belief instead of
logic.

I could not read all the mis-placed anger with out trying to see if
everyone really thought that way.


A discussion of the possible punishment for a terrorist is not, in and of
itself, political.

A discussion of photography is not political.

A discussion on the best way to catch stripers is not political.

etc., etc., etc.

It's simply not true that everything going on here involves politics.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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I'll try this again:

Mossaoui was tossed out of the group. His actions were ZERO, aside from
some unsuccessful flight training. I doubt that he really knew much
about the actual attack.

He said he did, but, AFTER the attack took place. He isn't a terrorist,
he's a wanna be terrorist.

What frustrates me, is that you misunderstand that we were not
"discussing possible punishment for a terrorist", but trying to out do
each other on inhuman treatment of a guy that's mentally ill.

Our society is not headed in a direction that makes us better than they are.


He's a nutcase, but only a pretend terrorist. That's quite different.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:32:52 GMT, Jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:45:00 GMT, Jim wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:52:34 GMT, Jim wrote:



Doug Kanter wrote:



wrote in message
oglegroups.com...



JohnH wrote:



I think he should be isolated in a small cage and left there until he
dies.
No martyrdom for him.
--

My relatively rare OT comment, sorry.

Unless he committed a capital crime under common definition, as
reprehensible as the ******* is we should not put him to death. The
prosecution seems to be making a case that
"failure to act" to prevent 9-11 is a capital offense. (If some far out
wack job conspiracy theorists were ever proven correct, that legal
precedent could have some dire and unexpected consequences).


Would we be better off to stick him in a typical state prison, and make sure
every other prisoner knows exactly who he is?



Exactly who is he?

He'd be better off in the mental health system.


As long as he's isolated. They can put his box anywhere. Would you have put
the other 19 in 'the mental health system'?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

The "other" 19 were actually involved in the crime.



So that makes them 'mentally stable'?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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I should know better, but here goes:

The other 19 . . . have nothing to do with Mossaoui. He was NOT
involved in their actions.



Your opinion seems to differ from that of Moussaoui and his jury.

You've not addressed the question. Would you put the other 19, if they'd
survived, in 'the mental health system'?
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John H

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:44:24 GMT, Jim wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:46 GMT, Jim wrote:


JohnH wrote:


On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:32:04 GMT, Jim wrote:



I expected an argument. Instead, I receive support for my point.

I can't help but notice that some of my friends who were so strong in
their support for Bush a year ago are starting to make statements that I
agree with.

Maybe critical thinking is making a come-back.


Why the attempt to make the discussion political?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Everything going on here involves politics.

You are right, though. I was trying to make the point that the energy
seems to be moving away from what we were all sold in the last 5 years.

I know that political views, like religious, is based on long held
beliefs, reality takes a back seat sometimes. While this has no point
in a boating group, this thread is hopelessly mired in belief instead of
logic.

I could not read all the mis-placed anger with out trying to see if
everyone really thought that way.


A discussion of the possible punishment for a terrorist is not, in and of
itself, political.

A discussion of photography is not political.

A discussion on the best way to catch stripers is not political.

etc., etc., etc.

It's simply not true that everything going on here involves politics.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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I'll try this again:

Mossaoui was tossed out of the group. His actions were ZERO, aside from
some unsuccessful flight training. I doubt that he really knew much
about the actual attack.

He said he did, but, AFTER the attack took place. He isn't a terrorist,
he's a wanna be terrorist.

What frustrates me, is that you misunderstand that we were not
"discussing possible punishment for a terrorist", but trying to out do
each other on inhuman treatment of a guy that's mentally ill.

Our society is not headed in a direction that makes us better than they are.


He's a nutcase, but only a pretend terrorist. That's quite different.

No. *We* were discussing punishment for a terrorist. *You* tried to turn
the discussion into a political argument.

As I said earlier, you obviously know more about Moussaoui's involvement
than either Moussaoui or his jury.

Would the other 19 be 'mentally ill' and deserving of placement in 'the
mental health system' by your definitions?


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John H

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