"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned about
carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions. As I've
said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a Republican.
Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is SLOWLY
implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions. As
I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Rational logical thought vs. political double think

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions.
As I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not
want to become embroiled in political battles.


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country. I'm not so
naiive that I don't realize that politicians are advised (and licked nicely)
by captains of industry, but your boy certainly has taken it to the extreme.
The sad part is that nobody really gives a damn. This country's slumber is
enormous.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...

Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions.
As I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released. They requested this because they did
not want to become embroiled in political battles.


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country. I'm not so
naiive that I don't realize that politicians are advised (and licked
nicely) by captains of industry, but your boy certainly has taken it to
the extreme. The sad part is that nobody really gives a damn. This
country's slumber is enormous.
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with you
unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do. Don't
have the meeting?
Get real. The problems is any time someone meets with Cheney or Bush it's
news....and lies and distortions are printed. I blame Bush and his NOT
FIGHTING BACK. Believe it or not, many of us are not happy that criticisms
are not answered in the strongest terms.

The slumber could be caused because the press has cried wolf so many times
and been wrong that they aren't listened to any more.

Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released.

Well, that's not an option.

The U.S. government has NO right to keep secrets from U.S.
citizens, with a few noteworthy exceptions.

It is NOT legal, under the Constitution, to declare a policy
or policy meeting or policy-makers names secret, just as a
matter of personal preference.



... They requested this because they did
not want to become embroiled in political battles.


That's stupid. By being there, by being friends with Vice
President Cheney, they already WERE "embroiled in political
battles."

Frankly, the only reason to keep it a secret is so as to
keep the profits for an inner circle of Bush-Cheney campaign
contributors.

Do you think this is good for the country?


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country.

True

Jeff Rigby wrote:
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with you
unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do.

Get other planners who will. Do you think there isn't a long
long list of people, some of whom are not necessarily
motivated by profit over patriotism, who would like to give
high-level advice on national energy policy?

What is NOT acceptable is to drive this country off a cliff,
energy-policy-wise, deliberately increasing dependence on
foreign oil and slashing motivation for alternatives, and
then 5 years later do a sudden about-face & pretend it's all
the liberal's fault.

Oh wait... that *is* acceptable to you and the other
Bush-Cheney Cheerleaders. Gee, I hope you like the result!



Get real. The problems is any time someone meets with Cheney or Bush it's
news....and lies and distortions are printed.

You mean the lies & distortions released by President Bush &
Vice President Cheney?


... Believe it or not, many of us are not happy that criticisms
are not answered in the strongest terms.


You mean like when questioned about his financial conflict
of interest, Vice President Cheney should say something like
"F&^& You!"

Oh wait, he did that.

I find it hard to believe that you don't think the Bush
Administration has reacted strongly enough to criticism.
What do you want them to do, shoot demonstrators & put
Democrats in concentration camps?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released.

Well, that's not an option.

The U.S. government has NO right to keep secrets from U.S. citizens, with
a few noteworthy exceptions.

It is NOT legal, under the Constitution, to declare a policy or policy
meeting or policy-makers names secret, just as a matter of personal
preference.

It is an option and has been upheld as a right of the executive branch.


Jeff Rigby wrote:
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with
you unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do.

Get other planners who will. Do you think there isn't a long long list of
people, some of whom are not necessarily motivated by profit over
patriotism, who would like to give high-level advice on national energy
policy?

One of the problems we have is that there aren't any others. There are too
few home grown energy suppliers in this country, many of our top suppliers
especially in the N.E. are owned by foreign companies who don't want us
energy independent. That limits the list to a select few energy suppliers.

Again, the names and content of the meeting were kept secret because of the
partisan politics being played in this country. Look at your reaction for
instance...

It is NOT legal, under the Constitution, to declare a policy or policy
meeting or policy-makers names secret, just as a matter of personal
preference.


Jeff Rigby wrote:
It is an option and has been upheld as a right of the executive branch.


Oh yeah, that's one of the fundamental principles outlined
by the Founding Fathers: "A Republican President shall be
entitled to keep anything secret he wants, especially if it
might be politically embarassing. A Democrat President, OTOH
shall not."

Was that the double secret probation clause in the
Constitution? Our system of gov't is founded on the citizens
rights, including the citizens right to know what his gov't
is doing.


If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with
you unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do.

Get other planners who will. Do you think there isn't a long long list of
people, some of whom are not necessarily motivated by profit over
patriotism, who would like to give high-level advice on national energy
policy?


One of the problems we have is that there aren't any others.

Bull****, plain and simple.

You don't know who they were, so how do you know there
weren't any others?

Or do you mean there "aren't any others who are in bed with
Vice President Cheney and who are committed to maintaining
tremendous profits for the oil industry, even against the
best strategic interest of the U.S."?



.... There are too
few home grown energy suppliers in this country, many of our top suppliers
especially in the N.E. are owned by foreign companies who don't want us
energy independent. That limits the list to a select few energy suppliers.


Uh huh. Is there even one tiny scrap of evidence that energy
independence was part of Cheney's energy policy? I'd love to
hear it.



Again, the names and content of the meeting were kept secret because of the
partisan politics being played in this country. Look at your reaction for
instance...


Well, my reaction is that a citizen of the U.S. has
enumerated rights which trump the gov't desire to keep
secrets. Your reaction seems to be that the closer we get to
a fascist dictatorship, the better.... and you want to
complain about my attitude. That's "partisan politics?"

DSK

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released.

Well, that's not an option.

The U.S. government has NO right to keep secrets from U.S. citizens, with
a few noteworthy exceptions.

It is NOT legal, under the Constitution, to declare a policy or policy
meeting or policy-makers names secret, just as a matter of personal
preference.

It is an option and has been upheld as a right of the executive branch.


Jeff Rigby wrote:
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with
you unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do.

Get other planners who will. Do you think there isn't a long long list of
people, some of whom are not necessarily motivated by profit over
patriotism, who would like to give high-level advice on national energy
policy?

One of the problems we have is that there aren't any others. There are
too few home grown energy suppliers in this country, many of our top
suppliers especially in the N.E. are owned by foreign companies who don't
want us energy independent. That limits the list to a select few energy
suppliers.

Again, the names and content of the meeting were kept secret because of
the partisan politics being played in this country. Look at your reaction
for instance...


Jeff, the problem is that the reasons for the secrecy were so obvious. And,
the secrecy benefited nobody except the participants. You may also be
assuming that I and others have a problem with secrecy in general, but
that's not true. When it benefits the country as a whole, I agree with it.
But, in this instance, it clearly did not.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not
want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."


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