"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:25:01 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:43 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Some of us are concerned about those substances, and coal-burning plants
aren't the only sources of them.

I'm not and I'll tell you why.

I want the human race to move on - to expand throughout the solar
system and beyond.

The more pollution the better.

And then there is this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Oh, pshaw. Science can only support Man causing Global warming. Most
likely NOX powered cars at the lead part of the chain.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message


Interesting, but if certain posters here (and I am not hinting you are
one of those) claimed there was no connection between the activities of
man and global warming, I would dismiss those claims out of hand because
of the demonstrated pigheadedness and stupidity of those posters, and
the fact that they have their heads stuck up the butts of the US Chamber
of Commerce.

All things being equal the eco systems of the earth can handle increased
carbon dioxide in the air, in fact life will flourish as plants take up
this nutrient and algae and plants become more prolific. Short term we
might have a moderate increase in temperature, nothing like the 8 degree
swings of the past before we were a factor in planetary terms.


Better scientists than you or I disagree, and believe we are precipitating
global warming to a degree that will lead to disaster.

Do you have the names of any of these scientists?

We should all be much more concerned with the OTHER pollutants like lead,
mercury, cadmium, radium and others that are going into the atmosphere
from coal fired power plants. As far as I am concerned the coal plants
can produce MORE carbon dioxide if they can eliminate the heavy metals
from the stack.

Some of us are concerned about those substances, and coal-burning plants
aren't the only sources of them.



The global warming scare is a political shell game, it's
crap.....Everyone's attention is diverted from the REAL issues.

I disagree. You think it is out there to divert attention away from the
other pollutants? By whom, the polluters? Who?



Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons. Why the
attention to a benign gas that IS part of the life cycle. IS NECESSARY
for life to flourish.... and no attention to elements that are not a part
of the life cycle, that pollute the food chain and KILL higher forms of
life.

Do you think you are being manipulated Harry....think about it.... I
know we are and it makes me angry!

We are being manipulated by corporations and their henchmen in Washington
on any number of issues.

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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message


Interesting, but if certain posters here (and I am not hinting you
are
one of those) claimed there was no connection between the activities
of
man and global warming, I would dismiss those claims out of hand
because
of the demonstrated pigheadedness and stupidity of those posters, and
the fact that they have their heads stuck up the butts of the US
Chamber
of Commerce.

All things being equal the eco systems of the earth can handle
increased
carbon dioxide in the air, in fact life will flourish as plants take
up
this nutrient and algae and plants become more prolific. Short term
we
might have a moderate increase in temperature, nothing like the 8
degree
swings of the past before we were a factor in planetary terms.


Better scientists than you or I disagree, and believe we are
precipitating
global warming to a degree that will lead to disaster.

Do you have the names of any of these scientists?

The same ones that were predicting a new ice age back in the 70's




We should all be much more concerned with the OTHER pollutants like
lead,
mercury, cadmium, radium and others that are going into the atmosphere
from coal fired power plants. As far as I am concerned the coal
plants
can produce MORE carbon dioxide if they can eliminate the heavy metals
from the stack.

Some of us are concerned about those substances, and coal-burning
plants
aren't the only sources of them.



The global warming scare is a political shell game, it's
crap.....Everyone's attention is diverted from the REAL issues.

I disagree. You think it is out there to divert attention away from the
other pollutants? By whom, the polluters? Who?



Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons. Why the
attention to a benign gas that IS part of the life cycle. IS
NECESSARY
for life to flourish.... and no attention to elements that are not a
part
of the life cycle, that pollute the food chain and KILL higher forms
of
life.

Do you think you are being manipulated Harry....think about it.... I
know we are and it makes me angry!

We are being manipulated by corporations and their henchmen in
Washington
on any number of issues.

Jeff Rigby wrote:

The polar regions where most Ice resides, has a high of minus 50 degrees C
in the summer.

The *average* temperature in Antarctica is -37C. Highs
occasionally exceed 0C in some areas.

-rick-

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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions.
As I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released. They requested this because they did
not want to become embroiled in political battles.


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country. I'm not so
naiive that I don't realize that politicians are advised (and licked
nicely) by captains of industry, but your boy certainly has taken it to
the extreme. The sad part is that nobody really gives a damn. This
country's slumber is enormous.
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with you
unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do. Don't
have the meeting?
Get real. The problems is any time someone meets with Cheney or Bush it's
news....and lies and distortions are printed. I blame Bush and his NOT
FIGHTING BACK. Believe it or not, many of us are not happy that criticisms
are not answered in the strongest terms.

The slumber could be caused because the press has cried wolf so many times
and been wrong that they aren't listened to any more.

Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only
if their names were not released.

Well, that's not an option.

The U.S. government has NO right to keep secrets from U.S.
citizens, with a few noteworthy exceptions.

It is NOT legal, under the Constitution, to declare a policy
or policy meeting or policy-makers names secret, just as a
matter of personal preference.



... They requested this because they did
not want to become embroiled in political battles.


That's stupid. By being there, by being friends with Vice
President Cheney, they already WERE "embroiled in political
battles."

Frankly, the only reason to keep it a secret is so as to
keep the profits for an inner circle of Bush-Cheney campaign
contributors.

Do you think this is good for the country?


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country.

True

Jeff Rigby wrote:
If you can't get the planners for our energy suppliers to come talk with you
unless their names are withheld from the press then what do you do.

Get other planners who will. Do you think there isn't a long
long list of people, some of whom are not necessarily
motivated by profit over patriotism, who would like to give
high-level advice on national energy policy?

What is NOT acceptable is to drive this country off a cliff,
energy-policy-wise, deliberately increasing dependence on
foreign oil and slashing motivation for alternatives, and
then 5 years later do a sudden about-face & pretend it's all
the liberal's fault.

Oh wait... that *is* acceptable to you and the other
Bush-Cheney Cheerleaders. Gee, I hope you like the result!



Get real. The problems is any time someone meets with Cheney or Bush it's
news....and lies and distortions are printed.

You mean the lies & distortions released by President Bush &
Vice President Cheney?


... Believe it or not, many of us are not happy that criticisms
are not answered in the strongest terms.


You mean like when questioned about his financial conflict
of interest, Vice President Cheney should say something like
"F&^& You!"

Oh wait, he did that.

I find it hard to believe that you don't think the Bush
Administration has reacted strongly enough to criticism.
What do you want them to do, shoot demonstrators & put
Democrats in concentration camps?

DSK

"-rick-" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:

The polar regions where most Ice resides, has a high of minus 50 degrees
C in the summer.

The *average* temperature in Antarctica is -37C. Highs occasionally exceed
0C in some areas.

-rick-

My brother spent 3 summers at Little America. SeaBee. He said there were
lots of nice days, warm days. Also a few -50 degree days during the summer.
The average also includes the Winter! And the coldest recorded natural
temperature on earth was recorded at the Russian station, and the alcohol
thermometer froze at -125 degrees. I think F.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."

Yes, Officer Wayne.

basskisser wrote:
Black Dog wrote:

I have seen almost NO science about climate change. Even in journals
like Nature, climatology has become polluted by politics.


Perhaps you should read some!

I get Nature's email alerts and abstracts. I would love to "read some"
science - if it was there. Like I said - I see no science, just politics.

"Black Dog" wrote in message
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basskisser wrote:
Black Dog wrote:

I have seen almost NO science about climate change. Even in journals
like Nature, climatology has become polluted by politics.


Perhaps you should read some!

I get Nature's email alerts and abstracts. I would love to "read some"
science - if it was there. Like I said - I see no science, just politics.

I take it you've read everything ever published on the subject. Right?