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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message


Interesting, but if certain posters here (and I am not hinting you are
one of those) claimed there was no connection between the activities of
man and global warming, I would dismiss those claims out of hand because
of the demonstrated pigheadedness and stupidity of those posters, and
the fact that they have their heads stuck up the butts of the US Chamber
of Commerce.

All things being equal the eco systems of the earth can handle increased
carbon dioxide in the air, in fact life will flourish as plants take up
this nutrient and algae and plants become more prolific. Short term we
might have a moderate increase in temperature, nothing like the 8 degree
swings of the past before we were a factor in planetary terms.


Better scientists than you or I disagree, and believe we are precipitating
global warming to a degree that will lead to disaster.
Yes, scientists disagree. Many of the "claims" from the doom and gloom
global warming club have been debunked in terms that even I can understand.
It makes them seem "unscientific" and ignorant as their claims would require
global temperature increases of 50 degrees for polar ice melt and their
models claim 5 degree increases in 100 years.





We should all be much more concerned with the OTHER pollutants like lead,
mercury, cadmium, radium and others that are going into the atmosphere
from coal fired power plants. As far as I am concerned the coal plants
can produce MORE carbon dioxide if they can eliminate the heavy metals
from the stack.

Some of us are concerned about those substances, and coal-burning plants
aren't the only sources of them. Then why waste time on carbon dioxide
when we can get behind mercury emission standards.



The global warming scare is a political shell game, it's
crap.....Everyone's attention is diverted from the REAL issues.

I disagree. You think it is out there to divert attention away from the
other pollutants? By whom, the polluters? Who? China, India, France



Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons. Why the
attention to a benign gas that IS part of the life cycle. IS NECESSARY
for life to flourish.... and no attention to elements that are not a part
of the life cycle, that pollute the food chain and KILL higher forms of
life.

Do you think you are being manipulated Harry....think about it.... I
know we are and it makes me angry!

We are being manipulated by corporations and their henchmen in Washington
on any number of issues.

Right, so you still don't recognize this one? IF Bush had gone along with
the Kyoto treaty the Democrats would have been against it. Maybe not at
first but after it impacted our economy, Bush would have been the short
sighted idiot who believed the French and signed the treaty. Clinton
wouldn't have signed the treaty.

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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Yes, scientists disagree. Many of the "claims" from the doom and gloom
global warming club have been debunked in terms that even I can
understand. It makes them seem "unscientific" and ignorant as their claims
would require global temperature increases of 50 degrees for polar ice
melt and their models claim 5 degree increases in 100 years.

There are indications NOW that the polar caps are melting at a faster rate
than we've observed in the past. But, of course, we haven't observed it for
that long.


We are being manipulated by corporations and their henchmen in Washington
on any number of issues.

Right, so you still don't recognize this one? IF Bush had gone along with
the Kyoto treaty the Democrats would have been against it. Maybe not at
first but after it impacted our economy, Bush would have been the short
sighted idiot who believed the French and signed the treaty. Clinton
wouldn't have signed the treaty.


There is a contingent of loudmouth idiots who think anything which impacts
the economy is a bad thing, even if the impact is miniscule. These
neanderthals predict doom & gloom in much the same way as some scientists.
They put forth theories like this: If, in a perfect world, coal burning
power plants were given 2 years to make their smokestacks as clean as is
technologically possible, it would mean immediate financial disaster for the
stockholders, enormous job losses, the collapse of the stock market, and the
plunging of certain Midwestern states into abject poverty.

Obviously, none of this is true.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Yes, scientists disagree. Many of the "claims" from the doom and gloom
global warming club have been debunked in terms that even I can
understand. It makes them seem "unscientific" and ignorant as their
claims would require global temperature increases of 50 degrees for polar
ice melt and their models claim 5 degree increases in 100 years.

There are indications NOW that the polar caps are melting at a faster rate
than we've observed in the past. But, of course, we haven't observed it
for that long.

The polar regions where most Ice resides, has a high of minus 50 degrees C
in the summer. These areas are NOT melting and will not melt. IF all the
other marginal Ice (where summer temperatures allow melting) were to melt
the seas would rise about 2 feet. This is predicted to occur in the next
50+ years by some models.

We are being manipulated by corporations and their henchmen in
Washington on any number of issues.

Right, so you still don't recognize this one? IF Bush had gone along
with the Kyoto treaty the Democrats would have been against it. Maybe
not at first but after it impacted our economy, Bush would have been the
short sighted idiot who believed the French and signed the treaty.
Clinton wouldn't have signed the treaty.


There is a contingent of loudmouth idiots who think anything which impacts
the economy is a bad thing, even if the impact is miniscule. These
neanderthals predict doom & gloom in much the same way as some scientists.
They put forth theories like this: If, in a perfect world, coal burning
power plants were given 2 years to make their smokestacks as clean as is
technologically possible, it would mean immediate financial disaster for
the stockholders, enormous job losses, the collapse of the stock market,
and the plunging of certain Midwestern states into abject poverty.

Obviously, none of this is true.
No, take petroleum refining plants for example. No new ones have been built
in 20 years because of regulations. They are still in business but WE pay
extra for gas during peak seasons and they make money because of the demand.

You understand that WE pay if the standards are too tight. Bush is looking
out for US not the fat cats. Unrealistic standards WILL cause them to
rethink the building of a new plant. That leads to local governments not
issuing permits for new industry or housing since the infrastructure is not
there to support it.

How about a compromise. We set a standard that is easily and cheaply
obtained and if we want tighter standards, the government pays for the
additional equipment these plants will need.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions. As
I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Rational logical thought vs. political double think

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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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There is a contingent of loudmouth idiots who think anything which
impacts the economy is a bad thing, even if the impact is miniscule.
These neanderthals predict doom & gloom in much the same way as some
scientists. They put forth theories like this: If, in a perfect world,
coal burning power plants were given 2 years to make their smokestacks as
clean as is technologically possible, it would mean immediate financial
disaster for the stockholders, enormous job losses, the collapse of the
stock market, and the plunging of certain Midwestern states into abject
poverty.

Obviously, none of this is true.

No, take petroleum refining plants for example. No new ones have been
built in 20 years because of regulations. They are still in business but
WE pay extra for gas during peak seasons and they make money because of
the demand.

You understand that WE pay if the standards are too tight. Bush is
looking out for US not the fat cats. Unrealistic standards WILL cause
them to rethink the building of a new plant. That leads to local
governments not issuing permits for new industry or housing since the
infrastructure is not there to support it.

How about a compromise. We set a standard that is easily and cheaply
obtained and if we want tighter standards, the government pays for the
additional equipment these plants will need.



Three problems:

1) You haven't addressed this, so I'll ask again: Do you have a problem with
the list of Bush's energy "advisors" being a closely guarded secret? Without
this information, I will never trust the "easily and cheaply obtained"
standards which come out of the meetings. They can't POSSIBLY have been
determined in an impartial manner.

2) For reasons which cannot be justified, certain industries, products and
professions are elevated to special status in this country. The utilities
are one of these entities. Now, why should these industries NOT pay for
equipment upgrades like any other business?

3) With just a little bit of thought, we can both come up with a list of
companies which have faced far more disastrous problems than Ohio Edison
being forced to install state of the art equipment practically overnight.
This takes us back to #2: Why does OE deserve special treatment, when a
company like Philip Morris does not?

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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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Harry, tell me why NO-ONE is concerned about these poisons.

Not true, Jeff. The article below is dumbed down a bit for mass
consumption, and focuses primarily on global warming. But, the groups
behind Spitzer's efforts are equally focused on mercury and other
contaminants.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2...3-02-21-10.asp
Yes, read the article. It makes my point. The uninformed, Democrats,
Liberals, Everyone but Lieberman (a rational democrat) is concerned
about carbon dioxide. Lieberman is concerned with mercury emissions.
As I've said before, I'd vote for him for president even though I'm a
Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not
want to become embroiled in political battles.


In that case, you're part of the problem, Jeff. I didn't authorize anyone
from PG&E or Ohio Edison to make regulations for this country. I'm not so
naiive that I don't realize that politicians are advised (and licked nicely)
by captains of industry, but your boy certainly has taken it to the extreme.
The sad part is that nobody really gives a damn. This country's slumber is
enormous.

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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not
want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."


zzzzzzzzzzz........

Collapse the thread. Then you'll only see the first message, which will be
no more of a distraction than any other message.

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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:06:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:01 -0400, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:

Republican. Bush is implementing mercury emission standards but he is
SLOWLY implementing them. I'm not happy about that.


When the monkey's staff refused to reveal the attendees at his so-called
"energy task force" meetings, did you find that odd, and write to his
sitters to complain?
Nope, I understood that the people who attended the meeting did so only if
their names were not released. They requested this because they did not
want
to become embroiled in political battles.

Interesting discussion, wrong group.

"It's all about boats."


zzzzzzzzzzz........

Collapse the thread. Then you'll only see the first message, which will be
no more of a distraction than any other message.


a.politics is empty. Why not take it there?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Fred Dehl wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in
nk.net:


What did we, as humans, do to melt 20 miles of 4000' thick glacier
between 1794 and 1896?


Exhale.

Good point. If we could just stop all those enviromentalists and global
warming alarmists from breathing, think of all the greenhouses gases
that would save.