Bob wrote:
William Andersen wrote:
a 16' sailboat is not eligible for documentation.

Hi William:

Very good. Since you caught that a vessel's documentation eligibility
is not determined by length, what is the minimum vessel GRT eligible
for documentation?

So then my question wold be................is a sailboat boat of not
more than 100 GRT and carring 6 or less pasangers for hire (SubChapter
C) engaged in sailing lessons on inland waters but documented
Recreational legal? Or does that little sailboat need to be documented
Coast Wise and have an OUPV?

In other words, if I give sailing lessons on a river and my boat is
documented Recreational, am I breaking any CFR?
Bob

All sailboat instructions are exempt from these parts of the CFR, in my
interpretation of the law. Powerboat chartering is different, and I
believe powerboat instruction is, too, but don't take my word for it.

You CAN be documented if you are more than 5 net tons (usually around
25'), measured the way the USCG measures it. See their web site on
vessel documentation for detailed explanation.

Capt. jeff

Tamaroak wrote:

All sailboat instructions are exempt from these parts of the CFR, in my
interpretation of the law. Powerboat chartering is different, and I
believe powerboat instruction is, too, but don't take my word for it.
Capt. jeff


Hi Capt Jeff:
Thanks for the details. So would it be possible to "charter" your
trawler as a Recreational boat if everyone was "actively engaged in
learning?" I have never heard about a "Documentation Waiver"
Are you documented Recreational AND doing Subchapter C uninspected
passenger vessel work? Are you also the master? Is this Beyond the
boundary Line stuff or Inland?

Where do you do your chartering. Is it a sight seeing sort of thing?
I am very interested in a similar thing. I am not trolling or anything
here. Just genuinely interested.

In may case I am not sure how hard I want to push the IRS Hobby - Loss
3/5 year obstacle. All the reading I found relating to charter
operations is that they are real dollar eaten propositions with an even
more bleak forecast. And add to that the advice I got from my CPA about
hobby- loss.

Always interested in finding a way to ease the cash out flow regarding
my boat. (Yea, know keep dreaming..)
Suggestions?
The Frugal Sailor, Bob

Bob wrote:
Tamaroak wrote:

All sailboat instructions are exempt from these parts of the CFR, in my
interpretation of the law. Powerboat chartering is different, and I
believe powerboat instruction is, too, but don't take my word for it.
Capt. jeff


Hi Capt Jeff:
Thanks for the details. So would it be possible to "charter" your
trawler as a Recreational boat if everyone was "actively engaged in
learning?"

You can bareboat it, but it has to be coastwise if i'm doing the
captaining. My insurance doesn't want me to send it out without a USCG
captain anymore.

I have never heard about a "Documentation Waiver"
Are you documented Recreational AND doing Subchapter C uninspected
passenger vessel work? Are you also the master? Is this Beyond the
boundary Line stuff or Inland?

Yes, I'm the master and it's on Lake Superior, uninspected. And I'm
changing to coastwise registry.

Where do you do your chartering. Is it a sight seeing sort of thing?
I am very interested in a similar thing. I am not trolling or anything
here. Just genuinely interested.

In may case I am not sure how hard I want to push the IRS Hobby - Loss
3/5 year obstacle. All the reading I found relating to charter
operations is that they are real dollar eaten propositions with an even
more bleak forecast. And add to that the advice I got from my CPA about
hobby- loss.

Always interested in finding a way to ease the cash out flow regarding
my boat. (Yea, know keep dreaming..)
Suggestions?

The chartering helps, especially the first year when I had to deduct the
cost of getting the boat from Chesapeake bay to Lake Superior and
outfitting it for charter. Lots of big writeoffs. I could make money
some years, though if i charter enough.
Capt. Jeff