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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:20:02 GMT, "CalifBill"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:29:41 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

Extant?

You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some
of
his words.

Just an odd use of the word.

Tom, this your alter ego site?
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/

Did you know I was responsible for getting Leykis kicked off the air
in Worcester, MA? :)

You liberals just can not take free speech. :)

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RCE wrote:
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that
said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in
a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without
failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!


That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that
said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in
a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without
failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!


That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

Agreed. Also, in order to work as they are supposed to , they'd have
pop out in either direction! Because if the wind is blowing in one
direction, the leeward panels would then have a negative pressure on
them. But, alas, codes aren't worthless. If there were no code
provisions, people would be building structures that wouldn't withstand
someone blowing on them! One of my colleagues went to Clemson U, and
was on their hurricane team. Pretty interesting stuff.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

Agreed. Also, in order to work as they are supposed to , they'd have
pop out in either direction! Because if the wind is blowing in one
direction, the leeward panels would then have a negative pressure on
them. But, alas, codes aren't worthless. If there were no code
provisions, people would be building structures that wouldn't withstand
someone blowing on them! One of my colleagues went to Clemson U, and
was on their hurricane team. Pretty interesting stuff.


I was referring to the codes for screened pool enclosures. Building codes
are necessary, although some of the new codes, particularly electrical, are
getting ridiculous.

RCE

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:49:37 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Even buildings constructed to withstand the highest
winds were severely damaged by flying objects and by wind shear and
other forces that accompany the straight on winds of a major hurricane.

With a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane all bet are off. It becomes more a
matter of luck than anything else. The wind loads on even modest
sized homes can exceed 200,000 lbs in that kind of storm.

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P. Fritz wrote:
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is
amazing
what we have to design for,

Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Quite possibly, he means "we" as being the construction company he works
for. Jeeze.

RCE

Kevin is as dumb as ever, he thinks "design" only means structural
engineering LMAO. He is still dumber than a tree stump.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is
amazing
what we have to design for,


Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible?

Still keeping your nose wedged up kevin's ass as usual.

Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible?

As opposed to the locals that just screw them all the rest of the time?