K. Smith wrote:
Paste from an "independent" magazine test.

Not surprisingly given its strong on-water performance, the Mercury
250XS pulled the most horsepower (252 hp at 5200 rpm). Next was the
Yamaha (246 hp at 5600 rpm). Evinrude brought up the rear (239 hp at
5600 rpm).

In terms of torque, the Yamaha 250 HPDI VMax edged Mercury with 268
lb.-ft. at 3800 rpm, vs. the Merc's 267 lb.-ft. at 4400 rpm.
Evinrude came in a distant third, with 250 lb.-ft. at 4000 rpm.

end paste;

Gee those pesky "independent" tests, the dealers must be making up
the
excuses as we type:-) look at the lack of E-Tec torque!!! Woohoo this
before your season even starts!!!!

Yes yes I know it's all technically legal, but be aware when the HP
numbers get big so does that 10% allowance. I assume E-Tec charge for
a
full 250HP??? Oops silly me now I remember, that's right they're MORE
expensive than the others.



Hey Karen,

Twice in the above post you mention the lack of E-TEC torque and HP. If you
would read the magazine article, it is from March of 2003 and they are
comparing the FICHT motor (Evinrude DI), not an E-TEC!!!!! That is 2
years BEFORE the V-6 E-TEC was put into production.

Talk about "spruiking" in reverse. Bad mouthing an engine and not even
knowing which one is being tested !!!!

Besides that, notice that the magazine comments on how well the FICHT runs
compared to the others, and that was the one they preferred.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Billgran wrote:

Hey Karen,

Twice in the above post you mention the lack of E-TEC torque and HP...

OK, Bill, while you continue to go after and try to insult K, perhaps it
time for you to answer one question. Karen warned this NG about Ficht
problems *before* the collapse and bankruptcy of OMC. You were spruiking
OMC and Ficht throughout her warnings. Thousands were hurt in the Ficht
debacle. Is it not time for you to come clean and apologize to all those
folks you led astray?


--
Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Billgran wrote:

Hey Karen,

Twice in the above post you mention the lack of E-TEC torque and HP...

OK, Bill, while you continue to go after and try to insult K.....



Skipper,

I have no beef with you because you do not expound on the E-TEC one way or
another, as it is not your expertise. You do continue to defend someone who
knows nothing about DI motors except what some blokes told her.

Now here she outright lies about a magazine article, thinking folks won't
realize it is about a 3 year ago story that has NOTHING to do about E-TEC.
Don't you think she should apologize for trying to "hoodwink" people who
read her posts?

There is an old saying, that goes, "Never bet on a "nag" in a thoroughbred
horserace". Don't you think that is appropriate in this situation???

Billgran wrote:

"Skipper" wrote...

OK, Bill, while you continue to go after and try to insult K, perhaps it
time for you to answer one question. Karen warned this NG about Ficht
problems *before* the collapse and bankruptcy of OMC. You were spruiking
OMC and Ficht throughout her warnings. Thousands were hurt in the Ficht
debacle. Is it not time for you to come clean and apologize to all those
folks you led astray?

Skipper,

Don't you think she should apologize for trying to "hoodwink" people who
read her posts?

There is an old saying, that goes, "Never bet on a "nag" in a thoroughbred
horserace". Don't you think that is appropriate in this situation???

Actually, in light of the Ficht debacle and your actions in encouraging
folks to buy these troubled engines, indeed, I believe an apology is in
order. Thousands were hurt, Bill.

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:
Billgran wrote:

"Skipper" wrote...

OK, Bill, while you continue to go after and try to insult K, perhaps it
time for you to answer one question. Karen warned this NG about Ficht
problems *before* the collapse and bankruptcy of OMC. You were spruiking
OMC and Ficht throughout her warnings. Thousands were hurt in the Ficht
debacle. Is it not time for you to come clean and apologize to all those
folks you led astray?

Skipper,

Don't you think she should apologize for trying to "hoodwink" people who
read her posts?

There is an old saying, that goes, "Never bet on a "nag" in a thoroughbred
horserace". Don't you think that is appropriate in this situation???

Actually, in light of the Ficht debacle and your actions in encouraging
folks to buy these troubled engines, indeed, I believe an apology is in
order. Thousands were hurt, Bill.

--
Skipper


"Thousands were hurt?" Are you kidding? This group is a couple of dozen
guys who sit around gabbing among themselves. Supposed to be about
boats. Only if everybody ran out and bought a 75 engines apiece were
"thousands" ever hurt, and we regularly hear from owners of these
engines who have been satisfied all along. Obviously there are
differences of opinion on this issue, and those are best resolved by
examining facts rather than calling for people of he opposing stripe to
"apologize". It probably would have been useful for Karen to disclose
that the article was written in 2003, rather than "just before your
season's starting....", but let's give her the benefit of the doubt.
Something published in the US in 2003 may just now be showing up as a
reprint in an Australian boating magazine. BTW, how does this concern
you? You don't own anything upon which to mount an outboard of any
variety

..

wrote:

Actually, in light of the Ficht debacle and your actions in encouraging
folks to buy these troubled engines, indeed, I believe an apology is in
order. Thousands were hurt, Bill.

"Thousands were hurt?" Are you kidding?

"Shortly after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the U.S. Bankruptcy
Court in Chicago on December 22, OMC announced that it would no longer
warranty any of its products. This left tens of thousands of consumers
without protection if their boats or engines failed and thousands of OMC
dealers with large inventories no longer backed by their manufacturers."

http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp

BTW, how does this concern you? You don't own anything upon which to mount an outboard of any
variety

Wrong again, Chuckster. I think all readers should trek on up to Seattle
and see for themselves what an incompetent and unscrupulous schlort your
really are.

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

Actually, in light of the Ficht debacle and your actions in encouraging
folks to buy these troubled engines, indeed, I believe an apology is in
order. Thousands were hurt, Bill.

"Thousands were hurt?" Are you kidding?

"Shortly after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the U.S. Bankruptcy
Court in Chicago on December 22, OMC announced that it would no longer
warranty any of its products. This left tens of thousands of consumers
without protection if their boats or engines failed and thousands of OMC
dealers with large inventories no longer backed by their manufacturers."

http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp

BTW, how does this concern you? You don't own anything upon which to mount an outboard of any
variety

Wrong again, Chuckster. I think all readers should trek on up to Seattle
and see for themselves what an incompetent and unscrupulous schlort your
really are.

--
Skipper


You seriously expect Bill to apologize for the OMC bankruptcy? How
daffy.

I always welcome a visit from anybody coming to Seattle. A guy from
Derby, KS came up here severalyears ago and began singing my praises
very enthusiastiacally, in this forum, immediately thereafter. Derby's
a pretty small place and the odds are you probably know this guy. I
could repost the glowing accolades yet again- but that would be
immodest. Years later, the guy claimed that in reality he immediately
developed the impression I was a true POS. I asked him, "Were you lying
then, or are you lying now?" To be fair, I do think he insisted he was
lying "then." So, a self-confessed liar from your same town has a low
opinion of me. Darn. You now I live and breathe to try to make a good
impression on posers and liars....(not).

But back to boats. What do you own upon which you could mount an
outboard? A workbench bracket situated above a water-filled garbage
can? When was the last time you were out on a boat (not as a charter
client or cruise ship passenger)? I don't expect any answers, really.
You come around here to stir up trouble, not discuss boats. You claim
superior expertise and disparage the "boating CV" of others here- but
the only story you have ever shared about your own boating experience
(with the gas cans and the 30-foot waves in the Sea of Cortez) is such
a lucky accident or obvious lie that it only makes you look even more
ridiculous.

My challenge to you, Dave Mann of Derby, Kansas, would be to put up or
shut up. Until or unless you are willing to share some evidence of
being a boater or even owning a boat that sits unused in your driveway
(did the sale on your 22-foot Bayliner from a few years ago fall
through?) you have very little license to sit in judgment on the
boating experiences of other participants in this group and certainly
no business "dissing" the entire group as you recently did with your
"boating CV" remark.