This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

--
Skipper


Skipper and Skipper,

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter without
success.
To your knowledge, is there one? I think a review of the charter, if it
exists, should be a prerequisite to voting for or against changing it to a
moderated newsgroup.

The only document I found related to the early formation of rec.boats was
this FAQ:

http://www.gulf-stream.net/recboats/recboatsFAQ.html

RCE

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

--
Skipper


Skipper and Skipper,

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter without
success.
To your knowledge, is there one? I think a review of the charter, if it
exists, should be a prerequisite to voting for or against changing it to a
moderated newsgroup.

The only document I found related to the early formation of rec.boats was
this FAQ:

http://www.gulf-stream.net/recboats/recboatsFAQ.html

RCE


This proposal is from Skipper............a nice guy who re-entered this NG a
little over a month ago, with his first posts (over a 2 to 3 week period)
flaming and telling lies about Chuck Gould and other respected members here.

His recent posts have been nothing but trolls.........attempts to start
arguments.

Ignore him......he not worth any further effort on your part. ;-)

RCE wrote:

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter without
success. To your knowledge, is there one?

I posted *all* existing rec.boats hierarchy charters a couple days ago.
Advice if you want me to repost.

I think a review of the charter, if it exists, should be a prerequisite
to voting for or against changing it to a moderated newsgroup.

There is a lot of info in usenet regarding changing a nonmoderated NG to
a moderated one. It really varies little from forming a new NG. Advise
if you want one of these cites reposted here.

The only document I found related to the early formation of rec.boats was
this FAQ:

http://www.gulf-stream.net/recboats/recboatsFAQ.html

And he spoke to the originator of rec.boats (John Hughes?) when he
developed that site.

--
Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter without
success. To your knowledge, is there one?

I posted *all* existing rec.boats hierarchy charters a couple days ago.
Advice if you want me to repost.


A link would be appreciated.

RCE

RCE wrote:

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter without
success. To your knowledge, is there one?

I posted *all* existing rec.boats hierarchy charters a couple days ago.
Advice if you want me to repost.

A link would be appreciated.

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.an...newgroups/rec/

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:

I have searched Google looking for the original rec.boats charter
without
success. To your knowledge, is there one?

I posted *all* existing rec.boats hierarchy charters a couple days ago.
Advice if you want me to repost.

A link would be appreciated.

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.an...newgroups/rec/

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Skipper


Nope. No rec.boats "charter" there.

Got another?

RCE

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG.....

Shut the **** up, you stupid little Nazi piece of ****. Better yet, fax me a
copy of your airline ticket to Rochester NY. If I know when you're arriving,
I'll arrange for you to be the next Houdini and vanish mysteriously.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:37:19 -0600, Skipper wrote:

This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

Sounds like you need about 167 votes and 101 of those, with rounding, must
by yes votes. I don't think it stands a prayer.

About three weeks ago we were moderating ourselves very well. That has
gradually gone to crap, with a few personal attack folks and a few
political threads that quickly became personal attack threads.

Once you subtract those who desire the freedom to be as uncivil as
possible, you don't have close to 100 people left. I think you're wasting
your time.

My advice, start moderating your own posts, as many others have done. I
wish everyone would do the same.
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'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH wrote:

Sounds like you need about 167 votes and 101 of those, with rounding, must
by yes votes. I don't think it stands a prayer.

And I think you're right, but it was worth the post to discover if it
was resurrectable.

About three weeks ago we were moderating ourselves very well. That has
gradually gone to crap, with a few personal attack folks and a few
political threads that quickly became personal attack threads.

Considering the quality of the remaining NG 'contributors', I had little
doubt the initiative would fail.

My advice, start moderating your own posts, as many others have done. I
wish everyone would do the same.

That is an ineffective approach, IMO. We'll see if there is enough
support by responses to this thread. It could well be that's what's left
here is not worth it...when in Rome...

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Skipper