"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds.


I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph. Easier
on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank.


That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from
Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane highways,
but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned two lane
blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill filling your
rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough busy road

I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they seem
to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over anyway. I
drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there, gets good
milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed.


Some clarification, Bill. Do you tow your boat with your truck at 80 mph or
just drive your truck without the boat at 80 mph?

Harry Krause wrote:

Well, there's that. Also, while I have done it many times, launching and
retrieving a 7000-pound boat single-handed is not a trivial task,
especially when there is a bit of wind. One wants to land gently at the
dock, you know. Also, I don't power onto my trailer. I have a bow line I
use to center the boat and pull it up onto the trailer, and then I use
the winch to crank it on properly. Easier on the boat, easier on the
trailer.

Many experienced boaters prefer to power on, particularly on challenging
ramps with a great deal of side wind. Yes, it does take coordination,
feel and experience. It is also the easiest way to single-hand a
7000-pound retrieval in strong winds if you know what your doing.

--
Skipper

Bryan wrote:

You said, you were not leaving the country. ;( And how good is a one
armed fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing?

An even greater dilema: a fish on the line and an unopened cold beer in
hand. Does a one-armed fishermen who enjoys his beer, use his one arm to
open the beer or let it go and hang on to the fish?

Chug to beer and then get the fish, silly.

--
Skipper

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:52:05 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of
the respective boats.

It is only a "problem" if you don't have the experience and the proper
towing vehicle. Both of those "problems" are easily solved with time and
money.

Some of us consider time is money. Further, most prefer to tow with
their existing vehicle rather than upgrading to an 18-wheeler for the
trek. Towability and destination range are legitimate factors when
selecting trailerable boats. A key reason many go trailerable boat is to
experience distant interesting waters reasonably unattainable by water.

I once towed my kazillion-pound Parker 55 miles with a Toyota
FourRunner. The total weight of the boat and trailer was a little over
the tow vehicle's max tow rating, but it was obvious the vehicle did not
have the length or width for an easy long-distance tow, and looking in
the rear-view was sobering. There was no strain on the engine or tranny,
though.

Don't kid yourself, Krause. You'll eventually end up paying the piper
making inappropriate tows. And if you think a Toyota/Parker is the
proper combo for the Challenge, go right ahead.

Now, do you want to discuss something significant, or continue in your
attempt to make points out of porridge?

Towability and vehicle match are important considerations, Krause.

Skipper, I've already conceded the towing issue. The Grady would win that.
Now, would you please address the 'on water' issue. What are some of your
reasons for saying the Grady would obviously do better than the Parker.
--
John H

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of
the respective boats.

It is only a "problem" if you don't have the experience and the proper
towing vehicle. Both of those "problems" are easily solved with time and
money.

Some of us consider time is money. Further, most prefer to tow with
their existing vehicle rather than upgrading to an 18-wheeler for the
trek. Towability and destination range are legitimate factors when
selecting trailerable boats. A key reason many go trailerable boat is to
experience distant interesting waters reasonably unattainable by water.

I once towed my kazillion-pound Parker 55 miles with a Toyota
FourRunner. The total weight of the boat and trailer was a little over
the tow vehicle's max tow rating, but it was obvious the vehicle did not
have the length or width for an easy long-distance tow, and looking in
the rear-view was sobering. There was no strain on the engine or tranny,
though.

Don't kid yourself, Krause. You'll eventually end up paying the piper
making inappropriate tows. And if you think a Toyota/Parker is the
proper combo for the Challenge, go right ahead.

Now, do you want to discuss something significant, or continue in your
attempt to make points out of porridge?

Towability and vehicle match are important considerations, Krause.

--
Skipper


Gee, really?

Since I only tow the boat a couple of hundred feet on a dirt/gravel
pathway, I'm not concerned. If I have to tow any distance, I have access
to a 2004 Ford F350 duallie. Think that'll do it?

BTW, what's your current boat, Snipper? Still no answer?


I was waiting for a response to that question also. My guess is he now has
one of these: http://tinyurl.com/9e67n

I bet that boat will survive 30 footers during a Tostito on the Cortez
better than a 22 foot Bayliner.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:

The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a
realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol'
local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything
you'll ever find on the Chesapeake.

[Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!]

Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*?

Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the
Parker?

Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the
Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall
experience.

--
Skipper


Now you know why I won't play your absurd games anymore.

Who in their right mind would tow any sort of boat from Kansas to Mexico??

Oh wait, we are talking about Skippy............never mind. ;-)

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:51 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a
realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol'
local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything
you'll ever find on the Chesapeake.

[Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!]

Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*?

Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker?

Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the
Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall
experience.

Damnit! I've already conceded the towability issue. Now - we're there. We
have two boats, a Grady 228 and a Parker 2520XL. Which would do better
crossing the Sea of Corte's, and why so?
--
John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Harry Krause wrote:

Ok, I just have to jump in (I don't have anything better to do at the
moment). It is the Sea of Cortez (of Cortes, maybe, maybe not) or the
Gulf of California. I'll, of course, be a little embarrassed if someone
actually looks it up and proves me wrong, but that's what I grew up
with and I'm, like the man says, stickin' to it.

I used to camp at Playa Santispac and I've been to Santa Rosalia. If anyone
isn't daunted by the logistics of getting to the area, especially you
fishermen, it is well worth the visit at least once in your travels; Bahia
del Los Angeles would be a great destination.

Sigh. Once again, Cortés was Spanish, not Mexican. Therefore his last
name is spelled Cortés, not Cortez. Cortes is the Mexican spelling of
the name, but not the way the man himself spelled it.

I'd really like to see you take that position, Krause, at a Marina
Palmira dock party...heck, they'd probably just hand you another beer
knowing your whacked.

--
Skipper

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..
Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch.

1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting.
2. Install new helm seat and pedestal.
3. Install second battery and A/B switch.
4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings.
5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no
bottom paint)
6. Bottom paint the bottom
7. Install bimini.
8. Install new CD player/FM radio.

Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all
depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather
cooperates.

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before
Spring launch.


My wife and I took a little trip this afternoon to pick our dock at the new
marina. #303 with the ramp on my starboard. Nice drive up dock with
plenty of grassy and tree filled areas..........more importantly quite cheap
at $950 for the season, including water and electric. ;-)

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:51 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a
realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol'
local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything
you'll ever find on the Chesapeake.

[Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!]

Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*?

Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the
Parker?

Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the
Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall
experience.

Damnit! I've already conceded the towability issue. Now - we're there. We
have two boats, a Grady 228 and a Parker 2520XL. Which would do better
crossing the Sea of Corte's, and why so?
--
John H


Skippy is playing you like a violin John.