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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:44:03 -0600, Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote: Based on the beam of the Parker, 9ft 6in, I'll grant that the overall towing experience would be easier with the Grady. At least I wouldn't have to get a permit for each state. Now, lets get on the water. Between the two, which would be preferable for the trip across the sea? Why? You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay. Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious reasons. Most boaters do not find the Cortez the same ol' same 'ol. A Cortez adventure is special on many levels. The diving is great, the fishing even better. The atmosphere is friendly and layed back. A night cruise over those waters is something to be remembered with the soft glow of those highly phosphorescent waters, a glow that will burn into your being. To really experience the Cortez, your own hull is required. *What* obvious reasons? You keep skipping (no pun meant) the question! -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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JohnH wrote:
There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of the respective boats. Conceded. But, I'd never buy a boat for its towing profile, What, on the water, would make you prefer the 228 Grady to the 2520xl Parker? The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to remote adventures. Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner, and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations. Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about 8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder. How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are. You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively. -- Skipper Skipper, I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans to visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future? -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:32:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:00:22 -0600, Skipper wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago), but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat for longer than an overnighter? A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady. Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for overnighting between legs. Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it. If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to pass. I would prefer to be pampered. In looking at the pics, I couldn't see a whole lot of difference in the bunks, or the cuddy for that matter. Besides, with all the room on the deck of the Grady, I'd probably use a thermarest and sleep outside. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The best thing about the "sleeping" area on these boats, my Parker included, is that if your wife wants to plop down for a nap, or if one of your grandkids gets seasick and needs to rest, there's a place to do it. The bunks on my Parker will sleep two adults easily, and even allow for recreational activities, but I'd rather stay in a nice motel. One of your buddies at TriState told me that the biggest use of the cuddy was as a storage area. He was right. The bunks are great places to lay a bunch of rods and reels in relative security so they're ready to go come the next trip. We've never slept in ours, but it has been used for naps by grandkids, and for changing clothes. If I had a couple adoloscent kids, I might 'rough it' for a one or two night camping trip, but that's about it. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:58:11 -0600, Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote: There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of the respective boats. Conceded. But, I'd never buy a boat for its towing profile, What, on the water, would make you prefer the 228 Grady to the 2520xl Parker? The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. [Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!] Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*? Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker? We aren't discussing the Sea of Cortez versus the Chesapeake Bay. They're two entirely different things. We were talking, I thought, about the merits of two boats on the Sea of Cortez. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. Oh. When you live an hour away, the extra ten minutes for launching is not a big deal. There ain't no 'spur of the moment' boating! -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph. Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank. That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough busy road |
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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. When I had a runabout, I initially kept it in coverage storage for about $600/yr. I then moved it into a boatel for around $1200/yr. It was well worth it to have the boat in the water when I got to the lake. We would call before leaving the house, and it was ready always in the water when we got there. My wife could take the kids out if I could not make it. When it was on the trailer, she always needed me there. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. Oh. When you live an hour away, the extra ten minutes for launching is not a big deal. There ain't no 'spur of the moment' boating! -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The bigger problem for me was waiting in line for the dock, tying up on the dock, getting the trailer, waiting in line for the ramp, running over to the dock so I didn't tie up the ramp too long etc. It was much nicer to just tie up on the dock, no waiting, unload the boat and then ask them to put the boat up. The sun always tires me out, so at the end of a day on the lake, it was nice to just do away with trailering the boat. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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Skipper wrote:
Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to *remote* adventures. -- Skipper Since there's a very *remote* chance you'll be towing your imaginary boat anywhere...why do you care? Of course....... you just want to jab at Harry. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to remote adventures. Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner, and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations. Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about 8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder. How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are. You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively. -- Skipper Skipper, I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans to visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future? Well, "Reggie," you just came up a point in my book. You spelled Cortés properly. The man was Spanish, not Mexican. I can hear Skipper cussin' & slobering all over his keyboard now. Expect incoming. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:11:07 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: how good is a one armed fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing? The important question is how can you do that and drink beer at the same time? Beer hat. |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:53:38 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. When I had a runabout, I initially kept it in coverage storage for about $600/yr. I then moved it into a boatel for around $1200/yr. It was well worth it to have the boat in the water when I got to the lake. We would call before leaving the house, and it was ready always in the water when we got there. My wife could take the kids out if I could not make it. When it was on the trailer, she always needed me there. At $1200 there'd be no doubt. My marina is up to $2300/yr now. I figure about two more years of this and I'll have paid more in storage than the boat's worth. Unless I trade it in on a Grady. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: Skipper wrote: Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph. Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank. That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough busy road I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there, gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:53:38 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. When I had a runabout, I initially kept it in coverage storage for about $600/yr. I then moved it into a boatel for around $1200/yr. It was well worth it to have the boat in the water when I got to the lake. We would call before leaving the house, and it was ready always in the water when we got there. My wife could take the kids out if I could not make it. When it was on the trailer, she always needed me there. At $1200 there'd be no doubt. My marina is up to $2300/yr now. I figure about two more years of this and I'll have paid more in storage than the boat's worth. Unless I trade it in on a Grady. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** $950/summer for a drive up dock with water and electricity for our 20 foot runabout. I winter store for free at an acquaintances yard. |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:59:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. When I had a runabout, I initially kept it in coverage storage for about $600/yr. I then moved it into a boatel for around $1200/yr. It was well worth it to have the boat in the water when I got to the lake. We would call before leaving the house, and it was ready always in the water when we got there. My wife could take the kids out if I could not make it. When it was on the trailer, she always needed me there. John keeps his boat at a first class boatel. The only problem with the place is that the guys who operate the lift trucks are only there from 8 am to 5 pm or so. That means you are boating on their schedule, especially if you insist on scrubbing down the boat after every use, as I do. Of course, on a freshwater lake, scrubdown isn't that critical, but it is on sal****er. And it's getting worse. Neither Marvin nor Rodell are too happy with the new manager. Both are talking of quitting. Several times last summer I'd get in at 1:30 or so just to be told that they'd 'just left for lunch'. The place is getting crowded, which is why they can jack the rent up a couple hundred bucks every year. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: Skipper wrote: Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph. Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank. That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough busy road I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there, gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed. I got tired of towing after just 2 months of it. The boat goes in the water at a dock from now on. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:32:43 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:00:22 -0600, Skipper wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago), but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat for longer than an overnighter? A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady. Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for overnighting between legs. Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it. If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to pass. I would prefer to be pampered. In looking at the pics, I couldn't see a whole lot of difference in the bunks, or the cuddy for that matter. Besides, with all the room on the deck of the Grady, I'd probably use a thermarest and sleep outside. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The best thing about the "sleeping" area on these boats, my Parker included, is that if your wife wants to plop down for a nap, or if one of your grandkids gets seasick and needs to rest, there's a place to do it. The bunks on my Parker will sleep two adults easily, and even allow for recreational activities, but I'd rather stay in a nice motel. One of your buddies at TriState told me that the biggest use of the cuddy was as a storage area. He was right. The bunks are great places to lay a bunch of rods and reels in relative security so they're ready to go come the next trip. We've never slept in ours, but it has been used for naps by grandkids, and for changing clothes. If I had a couple adoloscent kids, I might 'rough it' for a one or two night camping trip, but that's about it. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I store stuff on the starboard bunk, but left the port bunk free for "naps" and for quick access, if I ever need it, to the valves under the cushion and under the access hatch. That's where the control valves for the electric head are located. I have one of the seats that make in to a bed. Wife uses that for naps while I fish. Mine is not a cuddy, but she would probably sleep topside anyway. A little sun, and smells better than a cuddy. For cruising, I want a bigger cutty than any 22' boat can give you. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:20:51 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:43 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:15 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:30:59 -0600, Skipper wrote: JohnH wrote: The Gradys are wonderful boats. But the 228 is no match for my Parker. Now you're just making me feel bad. Not sure what you mean by 'no match'. Size wise, that's for sure. But, for a 22'er, it's got a *lot* of deck room. I could force myself to get by! Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better boat for a Cortez challenge? I'd take the Parker, simply because it's bigger. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Why not the 1985 22 foot Bayliner? I don't have one. Otherwise I might give it a try. -- John H Take Skippy's advice and strap one or two 55 gallon drums filled with fuel to increase your range. ;-) Well, like I said, I don't have one. It appears that one could do a lot of sightseeing and fishing with regular tanks. The towns don't appear to be all that far apart. http://www.cruisecortez.com/sancarloscruisingarea.htm -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago), but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat for longer than an overnighter? If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to pass. I would prefer to be pampered on one of these ships http://www.windjammer.com/fleet.html or this one. http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html I agree. I wouldn't buy a 22'er with plans for a long cruise. At most I'd spend a weekend on the thing, but only if a decent motel wasn't available. -- John H You want a lighter boat, towable 96" wide, fuel efficient and bigger cabin. http://www.northriverboats.com/model...p?productid=11 I see at the last show they also have a 28' model. Sides do not flex. Tow weight on trailer would be probably 7000#. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:20:51 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:43 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:15 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:30:59 -0600, Skipper wrote: JohnH wrote: The Gradys are wonderful boats. But the 228 is no match for my Parker. Now you're just making me feel bad. Not sure what you mean by 'no match'. Size wise, that's for sure. But, for a 22'er, it's got a *lot* of deck room. I could force myself to get by! Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better boat for a Cortez challenge? I'd take the Parker, simply because it's bigger. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Why not the 1985 22 foot Bayliner? I don't have one. Otherwise I might give it a try. -- John H Take Skippy's advice and strap one or two 55 gallon drums filled with fuel to increase your range. ;-) Well, like I said, I don't have one. It appears that one could do a lot of sightseeing and fishing with regular tanks. The towns don't appear to be all that far apart. http://www.cruisecortez.com/sancarloscruisingarea.htm -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago), but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat for longer than an overnighter? If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to pass. I would prefer to be pampered on one of these ships http://www.windjammer.com/fleet.html or this one. http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html I agree. I wouldn't buy a 22'er with plans for a long cruise. At most I'd spend a weekend on the thing, but only if a decent motel wasn't available. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Same here. We would spend a week on our 32 footer and then be glad to get home as we started feeling cramped. That boat had forward and mid/aft beds, a kitchen with small dinette and a nice sized cockpit area.. I cannot imagine anything other than a single overnighter on a 22 footer, regardless of the layout. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Reggie Smithers wrote: Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to remote adventures. Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner, and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations. Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about 8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder. How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are. You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively. -- Skipper Skipper, I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans to visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future? Well, "Reggie," you just came up a point in my book. You spelled Cortés properly. The man was Spanish, not Mexican. The funny part of this is the Spanish used a lot more z's in there naming of places. In Peru, the locals call it Cusco just because the Spanish called it Cuzco. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. In California for these size boats an annual permit is $90. No wide load signs required, no pilot car. They give you a list of restrictions. Can not tow on certain roads at certain times. Can not tow across the SF Bay bridge during commute hours, etc. Is not a major deal. |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:48:09 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:59:21 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:47:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the total picture, IMO. I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances. I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier to tow. I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like permits would be required. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of attention. Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the marina to the ramp. No permit needed. The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch from the public ramp under the bridge. I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place. They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper than Harbor Cove though. Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you heard anything about them? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** The ramp under the bridge is first-class, and well-maintained. But the parking lot fills up fast. I only let the dealer touch my engine. But I did have a minor electrical problem fixed by the guy at BP. He was quick and competent, but his hourly rate is the same as the dealer's. His shop seems busy, though, and that is a good sign. I've stopped in his store upstairs a couple times. Prices aren't bad. I'm thinking of moving onto a liftslip this year with Yo Ho. It's around $2500, I think, not a lot more than you paid for dry store. And it puts you in charge of splashing and unsplashing your boat. I prefer that. Where? I notice there's a bunch at TriState's area there on Rockhold Creek. (I think it's TriState's area.) There's a pot full of Grady's and Parkers there all the time and a few lift slips. If the boat is going to be exposed to the elements, why not just leave it on the trailer. Launching and retrieving isn't that big a problem at Breezy. -- John H It's just a matter of convenience. Sometimes I like to go out for only a couple of hours, and with a lift, it's very easy to do that on the spur of the moment. When I had a runabout, I initially kept it in coverage storage for about $600/yr. I then moved it into a boatel for around $1200/yr. It was well worth it to have the boat in the water when I got to the lake. We would call before leaving the house, and it was ready always in the water when we got there. My wife could take the kids out if I could not make it. When it was on the trailer, she always needed me there. John keeps his boat at a first class boatel. The only problem with the place is that the guys who operate the lift trucks are only there from 8 am to 5 pm or so. That means you are boating on their schedule, especially if you insist on scrubbing down the boat after every use, as I do. Of course, on a freshwater lake, scrubdown isn't that critical, but it is on sal****er. And it's getting worse. Neither Marvin nor Rodell are too happy with the new manager. Both are talking of quitting. Several times last summer I'd get in at 1:30 or so just to be told that they'd 'just left for lunch'. The place is getting crowded, which is why they can jack the rent up a couple hundred bucks every year. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I wasn't aware there was another change in management. Marvin is one hell of a ballsy lift driver. The new guy is Jeff. Real nice guy, but unlike the previous guy he has some higher expectations. I've talked to him about leaving the boats in the way of incoming and outgoing boats there by the floating dock, and now he's got the lift operators paying a little more attention. They raised the price $200 this year, so I think I'll be moving to Breezy pretty soon this summer. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:44:03 -0600, Skipper wrote:
You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay. Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious reasons. Oh yes, we all know now that towability is the single most important criteria when evaluating boats. Thank you for the enlightenment. I'm going outside now to hich up the Grand Banks to my wife's Honda Accord. The Accord will make an interesting dinghy and be a real conversation piece, not sure if it will make it to the Cortez. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
Skipper wrote: You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay. Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious reasons. Oh yes, we all know now that towability is the single most important criteria when evaluating boats. Thank you for the enlightenment. I'm going outside now to hich up the Grand Banks to my wife's Honda Accord. Thank you for the thank you, Whine. It's good that we are back to discussing boating and not flaming each other, yes? -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to remote adventures. Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner, and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations. Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about 8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder. How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are. You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively. -- Skipper Skipper, I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans to visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future? Well, "Reggie," you just came up a point in my book. You spelled Cortés properly. The man was Spanish, not Mexican. Ok, I just have to jump in (I don't have anything better to do at the moment). It is the Sea of Cortez (of Cortes, maybe, maybe not) or the Gulf of California. I'll, of course, be a little embarrassed if someone actually looks it up and proves me wrong, but that's what I grew up with and I'm, like the man says, stickin' to it. I used to camp at Playa Santispac and I've been to Santa Rosalia. If anyone isn't daunted by the logistics of getting to the area, especially you fishermen, it is well worth the visit at least once in your travels; Bahia del Los Angeles would be a great destination. Don't worry about the North winds too much, but watch out for the West winds that come howlin' down off the hills now and then. As much as I would really enjoy revisiting the area as a boater, it's just too far for me to tow. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of the respective boats. It is only a "problem" if you don't have the experience and the proper towing vehicle. Both of those "problems" are easily solved with time and money. Some of us consider time is money. Further, most prefer to tow with their existing vehicle rather than upgrading to an 18-wheeler for the trek. Towability and destination range are legitimate factors when selecting trailerable boats. A key reason many go trailerable boat is to experience distant interesting waters reasonably unattainable by water. I once towed my kazillion-pound Parker 55 miles with a Toyota FourRunner. The total weight of the boat and trailer was a little over the tow vehicle's max tow rating, but it was obvious the vehicle did not have the length or width for an easy long-distance tow, and looking in the rear-view was sobering. There was no strain on the engine or tranny, though. Don't kid yourself, Krause. You'll eventually end up paying the piper making inappropriate tows. And if you think a Toyota/Parker is the proper combo for the Challenge, go right ahead. Now, do you want to discuss something significant, or continue in your attempt to make points out of porridge? Towability and vehicle match are important considerations, Krause. -- Skipper |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:30:10 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:01:40 -0600, Skipper wrote: Guaymas to Santa Rosalia. So when is your next trip? We eagerly await the report. seriously, i have never done any fishing in that area - i would really like to sometime in the future. anybody want to get up a group charter? :) You said, you were not leaving the country. ;( And how good is a one armed fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing? An even greater dilema: a fish on the line and an unopened cold beer in hand. Does a one-armed fishermen who enjoys his beer, use his one arm to open the beer or let it go and hang on to the fish? |
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JohnH wrote:
The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. [Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!] Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*? Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker? Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall experience. -- Skipper |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: Skipper wrote: Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at interstate speeds. I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph. Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank. That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough busy road I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there, gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed. Some clarification, Bill. Do you tow your boat with your truck at 80 mph or just drive your truck without the boat at 80 mph? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Well, there's that. Also, while I have done it many times, launching and retrieving a 7000-pound boat single-handed is not a trivial task, especially when there is a bit of wind. One wants to land gently at the dock, you know. Also, I don't power onto my trailer. I have a bow line I use to center the boat and pull it up onto the trailer, and then I use the winch to crank it on properly. Easier on the boat, easier on the trailer. Many experienced boaters prefer to power on, particularly on challenging ramps with a great deal of side wind. Yes, it does take coordination, feel and experience. It is also the easiest way to single-hand a 7000-pound retrieval in strong winds if you know what your doing. -- Skipper |
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Bryan wrote:
You said, you were not leaving the country. ;( And how good is a one armed fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing? An even greater dilema: a fish on the line and an unopened cold beer in hand. Does a one-armed fishermen who enjoys his beer, use his one arm to open the beer or let it go and hang on to the fish? Chug to beer and then get the fish, silly. -- Skipper |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:52:05 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of the respective boats. It is only a "problem" if you don't have the experience and the proper towing vehicle. Both of those "problems" are easily solved with time and money. Some of us consider time is money. Further, most prefer to tow with their existing vehicle rather than upgrading to an 18-wheeler for the trek. Towability and destination range are legitimate factors when selecting trailerable boats. A key reason many go trailerable boat is to experience distant interesting waters reasonably unattainable by water. I once towed my kazillion-pound Parker 55 miles with a Toyota FourRunner. The total weight of the boat and trailer was a little over the tow vehicle's max tow rating, but it was obvious the vehicle did not have the length or width for an easy long-distance tow, and looking in the rear-view was sobering. There was no strain on the engine or tranny, though. Don't kid yourself, Krause. You'll eventually end up paying the piper making inappropriate tows. And if you think a Toyota/Parker is the proper combo for the Challenge, go right ahead. Now, do you want to discuss something significant, or continue in your attempt to make points out of porridge? Towability and vehicle match are important considerations, Krause. Skipper, I've already conceded the towing issue. The Grady would win that. Now, would you please address the 'on water' issue. What are some of your reasons for saying the Grady would obviously do better than the Parker. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of the respective boats. It is only a "problem" if you don't have the experience and the proper towing vehicle. Both of those "problems" are easily solved with time and money. Some of us consider time is money. Further, most prefer to tow with their existing vehicle rather than upgrading to an 18-wheeler for the trek. Towability and destination range are legitimate factors when selecting trailerable boats. A key reason many go trailerable boat is to experience distant interesting waters reasonably unattainable by water. I once towed my kazillion-pound Parker 55 miles with a Toyota FourRunner. The total weight of the boat and trailer was a little over the tow vehicle's max tow rating, but it was obvious the vehicle did not have the length or width for an easy long-distance tow, and looking in the rear-view was sobering. There was no strain on the engine or tranny, though. Don't kid yourself, Krause. You'll eventually end up paying the piper making inappropriate tows. And if you think a Toyota/Parker is the proper combo for the Challenge, go right ahead. Now, do you want to discuss something significant, or continue in your attempt to make points out of porridge? Towability and vehicle match are important considerations, Krause. -- Skipper Gee, really? Since I only tow the boat a couple of hundred feet on a dirt/gravel pathway, I'm not concerned. If I have to tow any distance, I have access to a 2004 Ford F350 duallie. Think that'll do it? BTW, what's your current boat, Snipper? Still no answer? I was waiting for a response to that question also. My guess is he now has one of these: http://tinyurl.com/9e67n I bet that boat will survive 30 footers during a Tostito on the Cortez better than a 22 foot Bayliner. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: JohnH wrote: The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. [Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!] Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*? Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker? Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall experience. -- Skipper Now you know why I won't play your absurd games anymore. Who in their right mind would tow any sort of boat from Kansas to Mexico?? Oh wait, we are talking about Skippy............never mind. ;-) |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:51 -0600, Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote: The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. [Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!] Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*? Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker? Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall experience. Damnit! I've already conceded the towability issue. Now - we're there. We have two boats, a Grady 228 and a Parker 2520XL. Which would do better crossing the Sea of Corte's, and why so? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Ok, I just have to jump in (I don't have anything better to do at the moment). It is the Sea of Cortez (of Cortes, maybe, maybe not) or the Gulf of California. I'll, of course, be a little embarrassed if someone actually looks it up and proves me wrong, but that's what I grew up with and I'm, like the man says, stickin' to it. I used to camp at Playa Santispac and I've been to Santa Rosalia. If anyone isn't daunted by the logistics of getting to the area, especially you fishermen, it is well worth the visit at least once in your travels; Bahia del Los Angeles would be a great destination. Sigh. Once again, Cortés was Spanish, not Mexican. Therefore his last name is spelled Cortés, not Cortez. Cortes is the Mexican spelling of the name, but not the way the man himself spelled it. I'd really like to see you take that position, Krause, at a Marina Palmira dock party...heck, they'd probably just hand you another beer knowing your whacked. -- Skipper |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch. 1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting. 2. Install new helm seat and pedestal. 3. Install second battery and A/B switch. 4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings. 5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no bottom paint) 6. Bottom paint the bottom 7. Install bimini. 8. Install new CD player/FM radio. Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather cooperates. So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before Spring launch. My wife and I took a little trip this afternoon to pick our dock at the new marina. #303 with the ramp on my starboard. Nice drive up dock with plenty of grassy and tree filled areas..........more importantly quite cheap at $950 for the season, including water and electric. ;-) |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:51 -0600, Skipper wrote: JohnH wrote: The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol' local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything you'll ever find on the Chesapeake. [Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!] Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*? Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the Parker? Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall experience. Damnit! I've already conceded the towability issue. Now - we're there. We have two boats, a Grady 228 and a Parker 2520XL. Which would do better crossing the Sea of Corte's, and why so? -- John H Skippy is playing you like a violin John. |
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