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Harry Krause wrote:

I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with
stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I
just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances.

I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its
high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier
to tow.

None of those dimensions present a problem if you are towing with the
proper vehicle and know what you are doing. I've towed my Parker a bit,
and had no difficulties doing it safely. I just don't like wasting time
towing boats.

I'm using a 2005 Silverado w/tow package. I know the Parker would
present more towing problems than that particular Grady for the
Silverado. You just can't underestimate the three problem areas
mentioned when towing distances. What are you using for a tow vehicle
that would mitigate these problems, Harry? I suspect a truck large
enough would present additional problems of its own.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

Why would a 25' Parker fail and a 22' Grady win?

Because Harry owns a Parker.

His towing inexperience, unfamiliarity with the destination, and
admitted coordination difficulties wouldn't help either. However, I
would be willing to assist or at least tell him where to get off.

Having you feed me hints you've Googled up wouldn't be much help.

Don't know about that. I really have no problem telling you where to go.

--
Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:

The Gradys are wonderful boats. But the 228 is no match for my Parker.

Now you're just making me feel bad. Not sure what you mean by 'no
match'.
Size wise, that's for sure. But, for a 22'er, it's got a *lot* of deck
room. I could force myself to get by!

Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better
boat for a Cortez challenge?

Please define adventure.
Please define Cortez challenge.

It's a legit question. I believe a *trailerable* boat should be truly
trailerable...and seaworthy. The boat should open up non local waters.
The Cortez challenge presents such a test, a true shake 'n bake. This
test involves trailering the boat to San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico. The
boat is then launched and makes a 100-mile crossing of the Sea of Cortez
to Santa Rosalia, a former mining village with a French influence, in
Baja California Sur. The boat is then tested as a fishing platform while
going after the great variety of gamefish abundant in the Gulf.

Now I believe the Parker would fail miserably in this test. The Grady
would win the day.

--
Skipper

Sure a trailer boat is trailerable. Maybe more trailerable than me. If I
am going to boat the Florida Keys, or Alaska, I am going to whip out the
plastic or checkbook and rent a boat. We are discussing driving to Alaska
this summer with friends. Sure, my boat would be nice up there. But
instead of 15.5 mpg, I get 12.5 mpg. Over 9000 miles that is a lot of
money, 580 gallons, vs. 720 gallons. At 2.50 a gallon that is $350.
Between that and the towing stuff, I can rent a boat a couple of times, or
get guided fishing a couple of days. And the hassle of the towing. Plus
the worry about rock chips on gravel roads, and trailer tires. Baja is only
about 650 miles one way for me. But for a couple of hundred dollars, I can
fly down there in a couple of hours, and have the local Panguero take me out
and he knows where the fish are for about $150 a day. Cost me at least $100
to take my boat out, when you figure fuel, and bait, launch fees, and the
fuel to get there. Cheaper to hire a six pac if it was just money. I
enjoy my boat and the solitude I get from it. You ought to get a boat and
try it. An add for Baja Pirates show special. 5 days 4 nights Hotel
Marina, with 3 days fishing / diving / snorkeling / kayaking is $860 airfare
SFO to Cabo. taxes, and fishing license and lunch included. And I am going
to tow my boat 1600 miles one way? Hire a guide, and you will find out it
is not much more than the cost for you and your boat to go out. I use to
fish Lake Fork a couple of times a year. 1/2 day with tip for guide was
about $175. He cleans boat, furnishes gear, and even teaches you something.
Buy a boat and spend your life towing. Normally I tow max about 150 miles
to most of the lakes and rivers I like. Once or twice a year to the Rogue
river. 40 miles. And maybe next year, up to the San Juans and Vancouver
Island for 3 or 4 weeks. Other than that, I am not towing.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:30:10 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:01:40 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Guaymas to Santa Rosalia.

So when is your next trip?

We eagerly await the report.

seriously, i have never done any fishing in that area - i would really
like to sometime in the future.

anybody want to get up a group charter? :)

You said, you were not leaving the country. ;( And how good is a one armed
fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing?

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:41:11 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Your really believe this NG has progressed to the point where trip
reports can be posted without the resultant insults?

I've posted a few with no insults from anyone but you.

So when is your next outing?


Only if you take technically inferior pictures.

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:

Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better
boat for a Cortez challenge?

I'd take the Parker, simply because it's bigger.

Not the best choice for this adventure, IMO.

--
Skipper

I have an aquaintance, and he drives his boat down to Cabo. A little bigger
than the Parker and he does well there. A 54' Med.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:37:14 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch.

1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting.
2. Install new helm seat and pedestal.
3. Install second battery and A/B switch.
4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings.
5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no
bottom paint)
6. Bottom paint the bottom
7. Install bimini.
8. Install new CD player/FM radio.

Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all
depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather
cooperates.

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before
Spring
launch.

wash, wax - launch.

New Nautolex flooring. Looks ugly. But that is just before late summer, as
I boat during the winter. Bur first have to finish the new Trex deck in the
back yard.

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:37:14 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch.

1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting.
2. Install new helm seat and pedestal.
3. Install second battery and A/B switch.
4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings.
5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no
bottom paint)
6. Bottom paint the bottom
7. Install bimini.
8. Install new CD player/FM radio.

Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all
depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather
cooperates.

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before Spring
launch.

There are things that I /should/ do, one of these years:

Additional fiberglassing around the transom and under the foredeck.
Repair gelcoat damage.
Repaint top and bottom.
Repaint the trailer.


Alas, I'll probably just have time to do what I've done for the past
couple years:

Apply new registration stickers.
Check the tiller rope's tension.
Check, change, and/or fill assorted lubes, greases, and oils.
Turn the key and motor away.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..
Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch.

1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting.
2. Install new helm seat and pedestal.
3. Install second battery and A/B switch.
4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings.
5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no
bottom paint)
6. Bottom paint the bottom
7. Install bimini.
8. Install new CD player/FM radio.

Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all
depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather
cooperates.

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before
Spring
launch.

Ironically, I find myself sorta dreading spring/summer. I love having the
whole pond and dock to myself! Our next boat will have an enclosed cabin,
which will even more suitable for winter boating.

http://www.c-dory.com/24%20description.htm

But in answer to your thread, I need to plumb hot water to the transom
shower. I did finally dial up my GPS navigational system, settling for
Nobeltec on my laptop.

-Greg

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Why would a 25' Parker fail and a 22' Grady win?

Because Harry owns a Parker.

His towing inexperience, unfamiliarity with the destination, and
admitted coordination difficulties wouldn't help either. However, I
would be willing to assist or at least tell him where to get off.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
I am curious, why are the parameters you have established for the
"Challenge" the criteria one should look for in a boat? Other boats and
criteria can meet another persons needs better than the ones you have
outlined in the Challenge.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Dene wrote:
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..
Once the weather breaks I have a ton of work to do before we launch.

1. Rip out cockpit carpeting and install new carpeting.
2. Install new helm seat and pedestal.
3. Install second battery and A/B switch.
4. Gelcoat repair on 3 dings.
5. Epoxy coat the bottom (the boat was always trailered before and has no
bottom paint)
6. Bottom paint the bottom
7. Install bimini.
8. Install new CD player/FM radio.

Items 3, 7 and 8 may wait till the boat is launched and dockside....it all
depends on how fast I get the other stuff done and if the weather
cooperates.

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before
Spring
launch.

Ironically, I find myself sorta dreading spring/summer. I love having the
whole pond and dock to myself! Our next boat will have an enclosed cabin,
which will even more suitable for winter boating.

http://www.c-dory.com/24%20description.htm

But in answer to your thread, I need to plumb hot water to the transom
shower. I did finally dial up my GPS navigational system, settling for
Nobeltec on my laptop.

-Greg



It is nice to see how little I need to do to commission my boat in Spring.

1. Wash and Wash (I use Zaino Bros so it is very easy 2 hrs. max with a
few coffee and chat breaks)
2. Replace Impeller and Fuel Filter (less than 20 min)
3. Place key in ignition.
4. Turn key
5. Relax

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

Skipper,
I am curious, why are the parameters you have established for the
"Challenge" the criteria one should look for in a boat? Other boats and
criteria can meet another persons needs better than the ones you have
outlined in the Challenge.

They are no better, and you make a good point. The original challenge
was presented because a particular contributor stated their half-day
fishing boat was better for my purpose then the one I had chosen. A key
factor was the assertion that their Aluminum trailer was superior to the
galvanized one I had chosen. That "challenge" put a half dozen "issues"
directly on the table.

--
Skipper

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

It is nice to see how little I need to do to commission my boat in Spring.

1. Wash and Wash (I use Zaino Bros so it is very easy 2 hrs. max with a
few coffee and chat breaks)
2. Replace Impeller and Fuel Filter (less than 20 min)
3. Place key in ignition.
4. Turn key
5. Relax

Do you use a power buffer with that overly expensive wax? Where do you
drain the antifreeze? And finally, what do you think of this list?

http://bottrell.ca/Docs/Spring%20Com...klist%20v2.pdf

--
Skipper

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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:43 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:15 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:30:59 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The Gradys are wonderful boats. But the 228 is no match for my
Parker.
Now you're just making me feel bad. Not sure what you mean by 'no
match'.
Size wise, that's for sure. But, for a 22'er, it's got a *lot* of deck
room. I could force myself to get by!
Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better
boat for a Cortez challenge?
I'd take the Parker, simply because it's bigger.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************
Why not the 1985 22 foot Bayliner?

I don't have one. Otherwise I might give it a try.
--
John H

Take Skippy's advice and strap one or two 55 gallon drums filled with fuel
to increase your range. ;-)


Well, like I said, I don't have one. It appears that one could do a lot of
sightseeing and fishing with regular tanks. The towns don't appear to be
all that far apart.

http://www.cruisecortez.com/sancarloscruisingarea.htm
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered on one of these ships

http://www.windjammer.com/fleet.html

or this one.

http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Skipper,
I am curious, why are the parameters you have established for the
"Challenge" the criteria one should look for in a boat? Other boats and
criteria can meet another persons needs better than the ones you have
outlined in the Challenge.

They are no better, and you make a good point. The original challenge
was presented because a particular contributor stated their half-day
fishing boat was better for my purpose then the one I had chosen. A key
factor was the assertion that their Aluminum trailer was superior to the
galvanized one I had chosen. That "challenge" put a half dozen "issues"
directly on the table.

--
Skipper
I had the feeling that was the purpose of your Challenge, and it
highlights that all boats are a series of compromises based upon your
personal needs and budget.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?


I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?


I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a
Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


Who really cares what he thinks?

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of
the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to
trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady
would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the
total picture, IMO.

I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with
stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I
just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances.

I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its
high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier
to tow.

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:43:25 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Don White wrote:

Why would a 25' Parker fail and a 22' Grady win?

Because Harry owns a Parker.

His towing inexperience, unfamiliarity with the destination, and
admitted coordination difficulties wouldn't help either. However, I
would be willing to assist or at least tell him where to get off.

Skipper, you started this thread so as to be 'on-topic' after complaining
about the off topic posts. Now it's becoming a 'Skipper vs Harry' thread,
and you're participating, if not instigating.

Based on the beam of the Parker, 9ft 6in, I'll grant that the overall
towing experience would be easier with the Grady. At least I wouldn't have
to get a permit for each state.

Now, lets get on the water. Between the two, which would be preferable for
the trip across the sea? Why?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

It is nice to see how little I need to do to commission my boat in Spring.

1. Wash and Wash (I use Zaino Bros so it is very easy 2 hrs. max with a
few coffee and chat breaks)
2. Replace Impeller and Fuel Filter (less than 20 min)
3. Place key in ignition.
4. Turn key
5. Relax

Do you use a power buffer with that overly expensive wax? Where do you
drain the antifreeze? And finally, what do you think of this list?

http://bottrell.ca/Docs/Spring%20Com...klist%20v2.pdf

--
Skipper
Skipper,
The great thing about the overpriced wax is you don't need a buffer.

I hate to tell you this, but I use the "pink stuff" and don't drain it
at all. I was told it was biodegradable. Now if someone tells me
otherwise, it will mean one more thing add to my list.

I think the list is an excellent one, even if some of the items are not
pertinent to my powerboat. All of the items that are pertinent to my
boat was done in Nov. If I find anything that needs to be fixed, I
prefer to have it done in the off season instead of the marina's busiest
time of the year.


--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much
larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in
interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady.
Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most
areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for
overnighting between legs.

Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One
I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for
anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it.

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper, your original challenge was based upon nothing more than your
ignorance and prejudice. It wasn't just that my aluminum trailer back in
those days was superior in engineering and construction to that Bayliner
galvanized Escort-brand trailer, it was that just about any trailer was
superior in engineering and construction to that Bayliner trailer.

You took umbrage at that, and started a multi-year rant on what you
believed was the "superiority" of Bayliners, a rant that made you look
like a blooming idiot. And still does.

The original challenge was established to resolve that disagreement. One
of us puked.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much
larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in
interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady.
Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most
areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for
overnighting between legs.

Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One
I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for
anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it.

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered.

--
Skipper

Skipper,
I really enjoyed the web site you posted a week ago, and it would
definitely be a great place to cruise, but I would never do it on a 22'
powerboat, I would do it on a 36' -40' sailboat. If a Freedom Yacht was
available for charter ( http://www.freedomyachts.com/index.htm) I would
chose it, if not any sloop would be manageable for a couple or family.

For me, the benefit of a sailboat is the trip is part of the vacation,
in a powerboat the destination is important.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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JohnH wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?

I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

--
Skipper

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JohnH wrote:

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.

There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of
the respective boats.

--
Skipper

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JohnH wrote:

Based on the beam of the Parker, 9ft 6in, I'll grant that the overall
towing experience would be easier with the Grady. At least I wouldn't have
to get a permit for each state.

Now, lets get on the water. Between the two, which would be preferable for
the trip across the sea? Why?

You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's
the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay.
Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would
be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious
reasons.

Most boaters do not find the Cortez the same ol' same 'ol. A Cortez
adventure is special on many levels. The diving is great, the fishing
even better. The atmosphere is friendly and layed back. A night cruise
over those waters is something to be remembered with the soft glow of
those highly phosphorescent waters, a glow that will burn into your
being. To really experience the Cortez, your own hull is required.

--
Skipper

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Since no one has stepped up to accept your challenge, may I be the first to
congratulate you as the winner of the 10th annual Kansas to Cortez
challenge. Congrats Skipper.
Tow...Tow...Tow... your boat gently down the highway.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?

I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a
Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:20:51 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:43 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:15 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:30:59 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The Gradys are wonderful boats. But the 228 is no match for my
Parker.
Now you're just making me feel bad. Not sure what you mean by 'no
match'.
Size wise, that's for sure. But, for a 22'er, it's got a *lot* of deck
room. I could force myself to get by!
Should one get the itch for *real* adventure, which would be the better
boat for a Cortez challenge?
I'd take the Parker, simply because it's bigger.
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Why not the 1985 22 foot Bayliner?

I don't have one. Otherwise I might give it a try.
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John H

Take Skippy's advice and strap one or two 55 gallon drums filled with fuel
to increase your range. ;-)


Well, like I said, I don't have one. It appears that one could do a lot of
sightseeing and fishing with regular tanks. The towns don't appear to be
all that far apart.

http://www.cruisecortez.com/sancarloscruisingarea.htm
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My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered on one of these ships

http://www.windjammer.com/fleet.html

or this one.

http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html

I agree. I wouldn't buy a 22'er with plans for a long cruise. At most I'd
spend a weekend on the thing, but only if a decent motel wasn't available.
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:17:01 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

Frankly neither, that's way too long a tow for a short vacation in my
opinion. I towed a 5,000 lb 24 footer from Connecticut to Florida
when I moved here 3 years ago and I'm in no hurry to tow it that far
again.

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Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?

I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

--
Skipper
Harry uses his Parker as a half-day fishing platform, so for his needs
it is a better boat. The Bayliner is an overnighter, where you can do
fishing off the transom, it definitely is not a fishing boat.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:52:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Actually, it is a Skipper v. Skipper thread. I'm not playing his game.

Thank you.

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Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:

Based on the beam of the Parker, 9ft 6in, I'll grant that the overall
towing experience would be easier with the Grady. At least I wouldn't have
to get a permit for each state.

Now, lets get on the water. Between the two, which would be preferable for
the trip across the sea? Why?

You just can't underestimate the towability of the candidate boats. It's
the *major* factor in this adventure, not how they ride across the bay.
Both boats will do just fine on those waters. However, the Grady would
be my choice between these two in the hot summer months for obvious
reasons.

Most boaters do not find the Cortez the same ol' same 'ol. A Cortez
adventure is special on many levels. The diving is great, the fishing
even better. The atmosphere is friendly and layed back. A night cruise
over those waters is something to be remembered with the soft glow of
those highly phosphorescent waters, a glow that will burn into your
being. To really experience the Cortez, your own hull is required.

--
Skipper
When was your last trip to the Cortes and when is your next trip? If
you need someone to handle the dock lines let me know.

--
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:00:22 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:

My biggest concern with a long cruising trip in a 22' boat is it is too
damn small. If the Bayliner is in good shape, the Bayliner would
probably meet the criteria ( many more marinas today than 20 yrs ago),
but can you imagine many families or friends staying aboard a 22' boat
for longer than an overnighter?

A couple points here. First, the cabin and bunks on that 2252 are much
larger than found on most 22-footers. There is a huge difference in
interior space between that cuddy and the recently discussed Grady.
Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds. Third, the Cortez is still very primitive in most
areas...but inexpensive air conditioned hotels *can* be found for
overnighting between legs.

Exploring in and on the Cortez is a real adventure in a small boat. One
I'd highly recommend for the less sedate among us. What is living for
anyway? And a final point...if not now, when? Think about it.

If Skipper still enjoys roughing it in a 22' boat for a week or two, I
say more power to him, but it would not be my preferred vacation. In my
younger days, I might have enjoy the adventure, today I would have to
pass. I would prefer to be pampered.

In looking at the pics, I couldn't see a whole lot of difference in the
bunks, or the cuddy for that matter. Besides, with all the room on the deck
of the Grady, I'd probably use a thermarest and sleep outside.
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John H

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:11:07 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

how good is a one armed
fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing?

The important question is how can you do that and drink beer at the
same time?

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:42:10 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?


I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a
Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?
--
John H

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Who really cares what he thinks?


Well, I must, or I wouldn't have asked the question.

Is that OK?
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John H

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:17:01 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

A well commissioned 2252 would outperform that Parker in this
challenge, IMO.

Another road I'll not go down again. Move on from this foolishness,
Snipper.

Have no intention to navigate this road again, Krause. It's just that
you were never told why I *knew* that Parker would come up short. Now
your know. No skin...right?

I asked you the question, you said it was due to ease of trailering a Grady
vs a Parker. I think they'd both be about the same regarding towing
difficulty, so that part of your challenge makes little sense.

When it comes to crossing the water, do you think the Grady would perform
better? Why? What is it about the Parker that you don't like?

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

I've already conceded the towing aspect. Given the extra width, the Parker
would probably require more care when towing and permits for each state.
That would be a big PITA.

Now. back to my question.
--
John H

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JimH wrote:

So how about you? What things do you have to do to your boat before Spring
launch.

Tow it to the lake!

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:45:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:28:43 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

The only thing exceptional in this challenge is the trailerablility of
the respective boats. Believe me, that Parker would be a real PITA to
trailer...the Grady would not. And then when you get there, the Grady
would do everything as well as the Parker. You've got to look at the
total picture, IMO.
I've trailered the Parker. I have a first-class alum trailer with
stainless disk brakes and torsion bar axles. The rig tows beautifully. I
just don't like to waste my time trailering boats any distances.
I'm sure that Parker is a fine boat. The towability issues are over its
high boxy cabin, total weight, and width. The Grady would be far easier
to tow.

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.
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Yeah, if I were towing my Parker any serious distance, I'd have to get
permits. But around here, in Anne Arundel, Calvert, St. Marys, there are
so many wide-assed boats being towed, no one seems to pay a lot of
attention.

Virtually all of my towing of Yo Ho has been from a parking spot at the
marina to the ramp. No permit needed.

The only way I'd tow a boat any more than a couple hundred miles (max) is
if I were going to be at the new location for several months or more. I've
got to get my brakes fixed so I can tow it to Solomon's. The Navy Rec
Center there is a good place to operate from, but the ramp stinks. I launch
from the public ramp under the bridge.

I talked to the folks from Breezy at the fishing show in the horsey place.
They've raised their prices about a $100 bucks a year. Still a lot cheaper
than Harbor Cove though.

Did you ever get any engine maintenance done by the Breezy folks? Have you
heard anything about them?
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John H

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:20:57 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

I doubt if there's much difference between the Parker's cabin height and
the Grady's hardtop height. The beam would be a problem, though. Looks like
permits would be required.

There is a significant difference in the *towing profile* and weight of
the respective boats.

Conceded. But, I'd never buy a boat for its towing profile, What, on the
water, would make you prefer the 228 Grady to the 2520xl Parker?
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Harry Krause wrote:

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow to
remote adventures.

Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much, much
larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in the
main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove burner,
and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and
opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric head
up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control stations.
Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by about
8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a full
bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder.

How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we are.
You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about
towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively.

--
Skipper